• MithranArkanere@lemmy.world
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    5 hours ago

    I keep reading people complaining about how people are taking these quotes out of context.
    So went to the source, and I see them in context.

    They are actually worse in context.

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    I can’t help to think Kirk was being insincere and pandering in this quote. He was just responding to what Clinton was saying

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    My dad was team horse de-wormer back in covid. Don’t talk to him much.

    Mom now says the he was a christian and he did everything right.

    Guess sometimes parents can suck too

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    trump is honoring him with a military procession, to distract from epstein. people said he was killed over, because he was pining for epstein files to be released. Kirk did more harm than good, but MSMS seems to try to sanewash him.

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    I had someone try to tell me I was stooping to his level with my dark humor memes.

    I told them, I can’t do that because I’m not 6ft under.

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    He had shitty opinions, we know. I won’t follow them. I will have empathy and I will not celebrate his death. Still, I think the world’s population improved with one less hateful person around.

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    Here’s the frustration and why this should not be celebrated:

    Charlie Kirk spent years dehumanizing people, making lives measurably worse, and profiting from hatred. The cosmic irony of him being shot while calling trans people dangerous and minimizing gun violence feels like the universe delivering a punchline he wrote himself. There’s a cathartic release in seeing someone who seemed untouchable suddenly silenced by the very violence he dismissed.

    But that catharsis is blinding, vile, and destructive. Every celebration post, every “rest in piss” meme, every “fucked around and found out” joke is already being screenshot and weaponized. The worst people imaginable, those eager to exploit violence, are being handed exactly what they want: supposed proof that “they were right,” justification for crackdowns, and, most dangerously, a martyr whose blood sanctifies every awful thing he stood for.

    Celebration may feel like a dunk on fascism, but in reality it accelerates it. It may feel like strength, but it exposes a movement so strategically bankrupt that it mistakes emotional satisfaction for political victory. Kirk alive was one influencer among many; Kirk dead is a rallying cry that will outlive us all.

    The rage at what he represented is justified. But celebrating his death guarantees those very ideas will flourish. American democracy is dying, and a gravedigger falling into the hole is no victory when it only deepens the grave.

    His ideas needed to be defeated. Instead, they’ve been immortalized.

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    I have seen so many right wingers post something along the lines of “leftists are so psychotic for being happy he was killed, we should kill all leftists in response!”

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    I don’t give a shit about Charlie Kirk, rest in piss, but my celebration is mildly stunted by the fact that this is a dangerous thing to normalize and this is a massive notch in that direction given how huge of a public figure he was and the nature of his assassination being so public.

    Of course, the right is largely responsible for that normalization, and Charlie Kirk’s death is actually on people like Charlie Kirk’s very hands. However, for me its just the consequences and the dark future that this seems to push us further into.

    Hopefully the right fails to capitalize on his death effectively and we move onto largely forgetting about the piece of shit.

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    Back during Trump’s first term I would hear people saying “this country is going to fall into civil war” and I told my friends “we are nowhere near a civil war.” Because the conditions were not there. It takes a huge buildup to move people to organized violence. You have to have thousands and in the US case millions or at least 100s of thousands of people willing to kill and die for a cause and we didn’t have that, and still don’t.

    But the pandemic came and we saw half the country couldn’t be bothered to wear a mask or get a vaccine to protect their neighbors and the other half saw that outpouring of collective psychopathy and realized that their neighbors were willing to risk their lives and the lives of their family and community to “own the libs” and we moved a step closer.

    But you can’t have a civil war like the 1800’s today, there aren’t bright geographical lines of loyalty. I predicted in the Biden administration that we would see a period of rising violence scattered across the country, like bleeding Kansas, but spread all over.

    And that is exactly what we are seeing.

    We still aren’t at the point where we could fall into civil war, but we are closer every year. Trump is doing his damndest to create the conditions.

    I pray we never get that far. Civil wars are the worst short of full on genocide, and they make the big G a whole lot more likely.

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    OK, honestly I’m not going to celebrate a murder. But nothing can stop me from appreciating the heck out of the irony.