I dunno, no Democrat ever threatened to make my country the 51st state since the 19th century…
“Which side are you on?”
The “two party” system is on the same side.
Oh thanks for the red arrow and explanation, I would never have figured out this cuneiform riddle otherwise.
The experiment is over. The results were not great.
Wow, “don’t bother voting” agitprop this early? This is going to be a big election!
This isn’t a centrist meme, it’s a leftist meme. Revolution is necessary, neither party represents worker’s interests.
‘We Have No Coherent Message’: Democrats Struggle to Oppose Trump
More than 50 interviews with Democratic leaders revealed a party struggling to decide what it believes in, what issues to prioritize and how to confront an aggressive right-wing administration.
Democrats are self-critical of their inability to take positions distinct from their Republican colleagues without splintering off conservative support? Democrats must be right-wingers.
“Everything I don’t like is posted in bad faith”
Yeah, I’m sure the Democrats will eventually move back to the left of their own accord if we just keep voting for them, keep our heads down, and try not to rock the boat.
Hey I am kind of centrist ( Center left liberal for people in Europe) , did your good guys release the Epstein file?
“Would you rather the oceans die or the trees die.”
- Neither.
“Hitler”
Some stuff about Alligator Alcatraz…
Some stuff about hooking a brain dead pregnant woman up to life support to be kept alive like a science experiment and forced to give birth…
Some stuff about dismantling of government institutions like the department of education…
Some stuff about closing the civil rights office that was created in response to the patriot act…
Some stuff about not being sure if we have to follow habeas corpus…
Ya I could totally see how both sides are essentially the same…
add gay vs god to the outsides
maybe something on immigration and racism
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I would support a better version of this.
Deficit is a major piece. They talk about it and then invariably increase it every time.
RNC lowers taxes, technically, but only ever in a way that hurts working class. DNC leave it all as is, never changing the bottom line.
First draft meme, here.
My parents are lifelong Democrats. When I ask them questions about any specific policy, they are vehemently against if it involves raising taxes even slightly. Voting Democrat makes them feel better about themselves. They always ask me to fill their ballots in, I have to refuse and lecture them every time. They love CNN.
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Simple English: My parents vote Democrat but don’t support Democrat policies. They are staunch Libertarians who think voting Democrat makes them look good to their children. They also don’t like to vote and want their children to decide for them, which is antidemocratic. They watch news outlets that spew disinformation. They’re not much different from most Republicans. I suspect many other Americans are the same.
I think Americans can perceive how fucked up and corrupt their government is but they lack any theoretical analysis to determine the nature of it. So all they have is a general perception that the government doesn’t work for them and that creates an inherent distrust of any government program, no matter what it does.
So an American might believe that universal healthcare is a good policy, but they also believe that in practice if such a policy were enacted it would mean that money being siphoned off by the ultra rich, with nothing fundamentally changing. They would be paying the taxes of a universal healthcare state, but the actual system would continue as-is, and they would still need to pay ridiculous prices. Thus getting double-dicked for no benefit.
The thing is this is probable. Section 8 is a massive subsidy to landlords. The ACA is a massive subsidy to insurance companies. But if you asked Americans why this keeps happening they would just spout some nonsense about R’s and D’s, or some particular politician, or whatever.
This cynicism spans both “blue” and “red” America. I think it’s the heart of the rot in our society. It’s not really a society at all in the sense that people have lost the belief that we, collectively, can work together to achieve more than what’s possible working alone. When that breaks the only motive people still believe in is the extractive motive of corporations. They believe that only the rich can make things happen, and thus are creating a self-fulfilling prophecy by electing venal politicians who believe the same.
Obviously I’m generalizing here, but just an undercurrent I’ve observed. It’s not coherent, but it is consistent across the “spectrum” of American politics. This ultra wealthy magnify this narrative since it suits them.
The republicans just funded a gestapo force which is rounding up brown people (some of them citizens) to take them to concentration camps where some and probably soon all of them are going to start dying.
Recently an 82 year old legal permanent resident originally from Chile where he fled the horror story we kick started decades ago was nabbed whilst replacing his lost green card and is now on deaths door in Gautama where we left him to die on the street whilst lying to his family so they couldn’t help him.
Please tell me this is the same as life under Obama.
interesting to see right wing memes even on lemmy.
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DNC never sent DHS and ice to deport and create fake crimes against my Muslim friend for being an Iranian student in physics. But sure, both sides.
No, but they did tank any candidates who would’ve given us a hope of not having to deal with that scenario not just once but three times over so yeah definitely both fucking sides.
What party were the candidates from?
They did though, through the creation and expansion of the secure communities program.. It was attempted to be walked back via the PEP after Obama earned the “deporter in chief” moniker, but yes the DNC did, has and will continue to do so.
Their style is usually more “don’t make a scene” then “suns out, guns out” but the end result is ultimately the same.
They sure aren’t doing anything about it either.
Nah, they just committed genocide
Don’t forget sending people to torture camps, or bombing kids, or expanding the systems that the current fascist government is using.
The Democrats do so much more than just helping out with genocide!
Are you thinking of a different country
No
Thanks for pointing that out, I’ll be sure to vote Republican
Whataboutism
What a stupid comment. It’s REALISM. I am either going to vote Republican, Democrat, or not vote at all (same as voting third party).
Which one of these choices do you think makes the world a better place?
Still whataboutism. You bringing up Trump doesn’t change the fact that Democrats commited genocide
You mean what you just did in response to the initial thread?
No
Don’t remember the last time the Democrats had military storming our streets and black bagging US residents en masse and deporting them to war zones like South Sudan or Libya despite those people having zero ties to those countries.
This reeks of fucking shitpost right-wing propaganda.
Edit: here come all the “but the US/CIA did all this fucked up stuff to other countries under Dems, too!”
JFC, the current “president” who is GOP literally yells about wanting to deport/arrest political opponents, censor TV personalities (e.g. Colbert, Fallon, etc), openly calls to suppress political opposition in voting, openly supports ignoring the courts when they interfere with his blatantly unconstitutional actions, etc etc .
Yes, the Dems aren’t fucking innocent, but to pretend they’re the same as a party that’s openly trying to “take back the Nazi word” is fucking insane.
Obama has the record for deportations
The problem is that both parties are right wings, only one somewhat more extreme. Both defends the rights of big corporations, billonairs and less or nothing those of the rest of the people. Public services, labor rights and even basic rights, like health and education are a bad joke in the US and only available if you have money. Now with Trump it goes even worse.
They’re not the same. The Dems stand back and shake their fist/wring their hands when the Repubs have power and run roughshod over them. Then when the Dems have power they allow their efforts to be thwarted by the Repubs and gesture helplessly when in fact they could just push things through themselves.
Also the DNC is a malfunctioning toilet that costs elections, implying that they think it’s better to have a pro-establishment Repub in power than a Dem maverick.
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Yeah, wouldn’t want to consume any true, but politically inconvenient posts
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war zones like South Sudan or Libya despite those people having zero ties to those countries.
Damn I wonder why Libya is like that!
You absolute ghouls literally don’t see foreigners as human
I dont think there is a lib alive who remembers the dems role in the destruction of Libya other than those directly involved in it.
True, most of them don’t remember as far back as last year
since the end of ww2 the two major coup d’états in brazil happened with direct support of the department of state and the cia under dem administration (johnson was in power in 64 and obama, with hillary clinton in charge of the department of state, in 2016). we’ve got a story or two to tell about them. if the regular lib doesn’t care about that, then the most natural thing for us is to consider both parties equally harmful and don’t give a damn over internal issues of the us and a.
Mostly because of Qaddafi.
You need to read more.
good to know it’s a-okay to destroy entire countries over 1 guy. Bonus points if brown, amirite?
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Off the top off my head the national guard during the george floyd protest that got called in by tim walz. Even trump was “impressed”
Yes, because those circumstances were completely the same as what’s going on now.
And that makes it acceptable?
People had literally burned down police stations and mass looting was occurring. Their police force was completely overrun. Don’t act like it was remotely the same thing.
I have several friends in Minneapolis that are very progressive. There were tons of people who were legit scared during periods of that for numerous reasons. It wasn’t “acceptable,” but what the fuck else do you do when law and order begins to completely breakdown?
Maybe reform the law and order that regularly lets Police murder citizens because they feel like it?
You know, how the protestors demanded before their peaceful protest got beaten up in order to escalate violence to deligitimize the demands and present the violent police as necessary.
I don’t disagree. I was simply providing context, which the other comment I responded to wasn’t addressing.
It wasn’t “acceptable,” but what the fuck else do you do when law and order begins to completely breakdown?
if it isn’t acceptable it isn’t acceptable period. “this was the only way” literally means that you think it was acceptable.
I put it in quotes because I wasn’t meaning it to be so exact.
But whatever, I’m done arguing with enlightened centrists.
So you do think the kidnapping off the streets into unmarked vans by the military was somewhat acceptable when the democrats called for it? At least have the gut to come out and say it
the Democrats had military storming our streets and black bagging US residents en masse
The Posse Comitatus Act is what generally prevents military from “black bagging US residents” and leaves that job to police.
Texas was the first state to allow for the national guard to assist in immigration efforts back in 2021. Democrats did nothing to stop, delay or prevent the expansion of those powers which were further pushed and nationalized in 2025.
The other loophole is invoking the insurrection act. While Biden did not involve it it was repeatedly threatened during the Gaza war protests, however the protests never got too riotous for the Dems to risk damaging their image and the local police were perfectly capable of documenting and black bagging people for it.
The cases of Kahlil and Mahdawi where Trump attended to deport individuals participating in those protests was made possible by the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952. That specific bill was introduced by the Democrats, passed the Democratic majority House and Senate, Vetoed by Democratic president Truman before being overridden by the house/Senate.
You are correct that they are “not the same”, but stating that the shield of your enemy is your friend, just because it isn’t a sword is fucking insane.
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Everything except complete submission to the US State department reeks of Russian propaganda to .worlders
