even the websites for local health systems have been going down. At this point if we have an event like Y2K was supposed to be, we are so fucked lol
Hey! Great idea! Let’s make all of the internet rely on one service from one evil company! What could go wrong?
Typical Amazon undersells everyone else to remove competition. Then after everyone has gone under reminds you it is a terrible idea. Hopefully we see businesses get burnt more and determine it is better to self host, or even better yet not need half their services on “the cloud” anyways.
I think evil is too strong a word for Amazon, I think benzos is one of the nicer billionaires but I have heard the horror stories from Amazon warehouses.
Amazon essentially killed local bookstores and then used the proceeds to become a massive megaconglomerate only challangeable by alphabet, apple, and meta in their sheer capability to control media flow.
They have spies in the form of Alexa enabled IOT devices basically everywhere. They also have the Ring camera. Recently they have stayed they will share data from Ring cameras with Palantir.
Amazon is insidious. Its evil is quiet in its spread.
The sheer size of Amazon, along with their business model, means they must employ vast swaths of people. In the US alone, over 1M people are employed by Amazon. Amazon plans to lay off half of them in the next 8 years while they shift to a robotic workforce.
These “too big to fail” companies are not evil out of some malaise for humanity. They are evil out of a cavalier disinterest in anything other than increasing the size of their hoards.
I don’t think they killed local bookstores. I think your average person is just lazy, and publishers were too greedy to allow the audiobook to be included with the purchase of a book.
The fact that they employ a million people is insane, I didn’t realize they were that large. I think laying off half the workforce to replace with robotics is not in acceptable but good. I have been working my entire life and it’s a huge waste of my life, and I look forward to robotic automation.
The thing is, you can’t stop progress just because you miss the way things were. Things are always going to progress. The future can be cool as well.
As far as benzos and stuff, maybe the Democrats shouldn’t be so shitty to everyone who is slightly different from they are. Running a business is something most people just don’t understand. The standard isn’t what you wish were true so much as it’s what you have to do in order to compete. Capitalism is a race to the bottom, the victory of the ruthless, it’s a bad game. Until we get a better economic system, we are kind of stuck with mega corporations. It’s not a choice. It’s what people vote for along with mass surveillance, and many other terrible laws. If you want to hate someone, go hate groups like focus on the family because they are the ones who ruin your society more than anyone and distract people from economic issues by getting these assholes elected who despise the idea of a social culture.
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Nice billionaire is an oxymoron.
If you are going to hate someone at least hate them for a good reason. I’m not saying he is an angel or anything, just that he is nice and has less shitty views than many of the billionaires now.
He isn’t nice! He wants to replace all staff with robots, set targets so high that people have to piss in bottles and pays minimum wage which helps him get so rich.
A nice person would have stopped longer before getting this large. He’s a monster. Maybe not in the traditional sense, but he contributes to a monstrous system.
I don’t believe that he would make people piss in bottles. I think that was probably a hit piece or something. Also replacing laborers with robots is good although capitalism and pseudo feudalism isn’t going to survive it but that’s also a good thing.
A hit piece? It’s been covered by numerous independent journalists and there is even video evidence of the crazy targets. And I know people that work for them.
I’m sorry that you have Stockholm syndrome bro, but let’s face it, you’re never going to be one of them so stop defending them.
Amazon has been known to lower prices to drive away competition and then raise prices. They’ve been shown to stock products and if that product does well they’ll make their own cheap version, undercut the original seller and when they can’t compete and the competition is gone they’ll increase the prices. They’re a predatory business at best and evil at worst. I’m happy to say I’ve not given Amazon a penny in about a decade. That’s before we even cover how they destroyed bookstores, and the shit show that is AWS.
Hmm maybe idk, I still think they are probably one of the better American companies but that’s not really saying much.
Are any lemmy instances run on aws? Been getting a lot less articles last couple days
Maybe the bots are run by AWS
I’d be surprised if none are run in AWS.
What are these random fucking websites though
I mean those are giant websites and organizations that exist in the mainstream, instructure is used by most schools nowadays
Which is random? I’ve only not heard of three: Instructure, fanduel, and chime.
All the ones I’ve heard of are quite massive companies and I would assume the others are too.
FanDuel is sports betting
Well I can’t be sad that that predatory industry took a hit. Thanks for letting me know who they were. Seems betting has gotten crazy in America when I thought it wasn’t a thing outside of certain places like Atlantic city or Vegas.
Yeah, sports betting is getting legalized in more and more US states. It’s pretty crazy. During most live sports broadcasts there are tons of commercials for it and even on the stadiums there are ads on the walls.
I am grateful that my past me (from few months ago) decided to study Slavic philology, instead of getting stupid tech job. I hate modern tech, including anything from big corporations.
I am also glad that I’ve switched to Linux (Debian ftw) to escape software enshittification.
It’s not a full escape, just a path to escape.
I’d argue you cna never fully escape the problem of enshittification, unless you produce and maintain everything you use by yourself. Given how much of what we need today requires specialist labour and how impossible it is to be a specialist in everything, chances are you’d be trading enshittification for plain shit.
But using Debian at least shuts down one source of enshittification. Just because perfection can’t ever fully be attained is no reason not to try and get as close as you can.
Amazon sneezes, the whole internet catches a cold.
Im still seeing services up/down the entire day at work. Services that are not even AWS like Azure are slow for some reason (probably businesses failing over to other infa). Its crazy.
None of our in office infa is having issues. Managers are talking about fail-overs all day lol.
When a handful of people own all the companies in the world, the whole world becomes a single point of failure.
Soon: “Welcome to Amazon, I love you.”
There are some downstream / knock on effects going on which can be explained…but I can’t help but wonder if today’s story is bigger than just AWS. AWS saying it was an outage of a “few hours” for DynamoDB and DNS…and that doesn’t line up all that great with what people are reporting in the wild . I’m not trying to start a conspiracy theory, just wondering what the post mortems will tell us, if anything. Obviously the suits want to keep embarrassing fuckups downplayed as much as possible.
As someone with a little insider baseball knowledge, it was just a few hours down of DynamoDB and DNS. However, that caused EC2 to go down for ~1 day, which causes pretty much 1/3 of the internet to go down. Once EC2 sorts themselves out, then teams/companies (almost all amazon services use EC2 in the back end) that use EC2 have to get their ducks back in a row, and that can take any span of time, depending on how well their code was written to handle failures + how many people they are willing to pay oncall/overtime.
Its crazy, we are seeing unrelated services stop sending emails, issues with DNS, all sorts of strange stuff.
Maybe it’s cascade effects? Something depends on something else, which depends on a third thing that depends on AWS for something?
Same with us. Had to reboot/restart a number of things, and resynch clocks.
They want to keep the news of the rally over the weekend as quiet as possible.
and the epstein files. i heard it dint affect international that much, so its rather covenient.
Dave explains the “long tail” of recovery:
games were affected online, plus apps, and then anyone in retail who does inventory, order writing.
It’s almost as if centralizing everything is fucking stupid.
At my work there was a big push to get things out of our own isolated data centers and into AWS because we had some services that were really very vulnerable and not equipped to serve a global distributed audience well. AWS solved that problem for us and our devs liked working with it. However now our AWS bill is so high that we’re pushing everyone to reduce it. I guess that makes sense. We’re not going back to self-hosting, just optimizing and reducing. But it sure feels like whiplash from “get everything into AWS” to “we have too much in AWS.”
So it sounds like rather than investing in your own systems you outsourced and now it costs far more.
Shit son that’s the same as almost every industry.
I don’t know if it costs far more but AWS is one big bill whereas running your own systems is a bunch of smaller expenses including real estate and employees in addition to hardware and utilities costs, insurance, etc which are harder to count. We see AWS on one big bill so the sticker shock is more palpable.
Moving to AWS didn’t just replace our services, it gave us a higher level of service reliability and availability. We would have had to double our spend to serve the globe as we really need to. AWS was the better option.
I think it costs a ridiculous amount because we moved over services that were built on self-run data centers where chron jobs were not billed on CPU cycles in a transparent way. Now they are. We can probably cut the AWS bill by as much as half through intelligent refactoring and optimization. Smarter data retention periods, killing off shit that isn’t worth it etc.
But the bean counters said it was the best idea!
Accountants shouldn’t be allowed to make decisions beyond their personal lives. MBAs even more so
Maybe it was a bad idea for society to put 90% of the internet on one company’s infrastructure.
Let’s take a decentralized network and centalize it! Nothing will surely go wrong.
So Roblox is the only of those companies that can handle proper region failover if us-east-1 shits the bed? You young ops have gotten soft! Learn to live by ChaosMonkey or die by the Gorilla.
Yeah, but proper failover and recovery requires additional infrastructure, and that costs money.
Hopefully a bunch of risk management people are writing I-told-you-so emails to C-suites right now.
Yeah but not to worry, C-suites have pretty good filtering rules in place to never read them. Saves time, really.
And plausible deniability.
Yup, and some things which can be moved cannot be done automatically, quickly or easily…even if you are prepared. AWS is a huge suite of products and services, and there’s a lot of old legacy shit running on it. I wouldn’t punch down on the ops for this one. Cybersecurity and disaster recovery are not directly profitable, so they are almost always neglected in your average shop.
AWS is a huge suite of products and services, and there’s a lot of old legacy shit running on it.
Yup, AWS is legacy cloud. It was only recently that they set encryption by default on S3 buckets, before that they were just in the clear by default.
Cybersecurity and disaster recovery are not directly profitable, so they are almost always neglected in your average shop.
It’s never important until suddenly it’s the most important thing in the world.
So Roblox is the only of those companies that can handle proper region failover if us-east-1 shits the bed?
Either that, or the reports stopped coming in since it’s a school day.
Roblox doesn’t really lock down regions unless they are China. The game client can connect to any server they own. It naturally falls back to the server with the least issues without prompts and intervention. If for an even bigger example all US servers were to go offline, the client automatically redirects people to either Europe or Asia based on ping.
I think they’re the only ones doing multi-cloud. If us-east-1 shits the bed, it’s a bad day for AWS in general.
Jesus Amazon is a big enough company they should be doing their own hosting not using AWS.
They’re big enough to be a utility and be nationalized!
And should be
Amazon is using their own hosting. AWS stands for Amazon Web Services. Or did I miss the joke?
Miss
I was confused too, but I’m still glad you didn’t add the /s because that always kills the joke.
I don’t always downvote posts that use /s, but I do always downvote posts that complain about someone not using it.
Sarcasm is ok but deadpan is where it’s at.
This is the take. Let people communicate however they want, sarcasm indicator or not; it’s the insisting that others follow the convention you prefer which I find actually bothersome
I for one don’t think you missed anything
Once upon a time they insisted that Amazon had independent decision making on their providers when they were needing new infrastructure and they “always decided that AWS suited them best.”
Shockingly (/s), they stopped making that claim right about the same time they started admitting that their biggest users are all under Private Pricing Agreements.
It’s kind of telling when Amazon services like Ring, Prime Video, and Alexa failed over pretty quickly, but everything else just didnt.
There’s no conspiracy here. It’s just highlighting that Amazon could prepare for AWS outages in a region, but since everything auth related was on us-east-1, everything else went down.
Shortcuts are costly.
…and I did not even notice it, aside from the news here.
It really shows what a great life that we on the Fediverse are living, by making our tech independent to a degree from the largest tech providers.
Figma balls wheeeyyyy
Figma
of your imagination?
It seems that there is not a single original thought in that head of mine.
doesn’t matter bro, they’re your thoughts and that’s what makes them awesome 😊
Alright…
crushes your balls with ginger root which makes them burn
Why does Amazon use AWS?
I thought they had an in-house solution.
A lot of AWS are wrappers over said in house solutions
And there’s a push to move off of those to proper AWS
