In real life, if someone got a black hoodie and a mask and decided to “fight crime”, how successful would they be?

  • ameancow@lemmy.world
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    Not very. The list of real-world obstacles is long, but there are a few top ones that leave super-heroes firmly in the world of fantasy. (Outside of a few edge-cases that others have listed here, people who really seem to have done small-time stunts for attention rather than a real effort to “fight crime.”)

    • Guns. The biggest obstacle in the US at least would be the high likelihood that the criminals you try to beat up, people already willing to break the law and victimize others, will just pull out a gun and shoot you in the face because you seem insane and threatening. Body armor may help with some shots from some angles and some calibers, but most likely you will go down even if it stops the bullet.

    • Getting your ass beat. I studied and taught self-defense and martial arts for well over a decade. The biggest lesson I learned from it is to NEVER get into a fight if you can at all help it. It doesn’t matter how big and tough you are, if you’re looking for a fight on the streets, you WILL get hurt. You will lose teeth, you will get maimed, you will get cut and stabbed, you will face off two people and one will trip you and you will end up with every rib in your body shattered. Every street fight ends up rolling around on the ground, do YOU want to end up on the ground with multiple people trying to kick your teeth in?

    • Finding a crime. If you’re really lucky you might see a hollywood-style crime in progress once in your life. The “group of robbers hijacking an armored car” type crimes are vastly outweighed by the “ex boyfriend uses his key and slips in while everyone is gone and takes the playstation and perfumes” type crimes. The vast majority of ALL crimes are between people who know each other or family members, how tf you gonna find that shit going down?

    • Cops. Their success rate at catching perpetrators and suspects is much lower than media would like you to believe, but they’re generally going to be better armed, more organized and more capable of finding and arresting your ass. They don’t take kindly to nutcases on the street upstaging them or causing public disturbances.

    Let’s say you prepare. Let’s say you train and be the best fighter in the world. Let’s say you get money or investors who help you develop the highest-level meta-material alloy armors and weapons and electronics. A million dollars in advanced optics, ballistic armor that lets you move freely, drones that fly around and scout for you, machine-gun tasers or knockout-gas bombs and rope-bola launchers that let you trip up bad guys before they even get close… you still trip on a curb and get your ass beat and your gear stolen, because running around the streets in the dark is fucking hard and you are still always just going to be a lone human made of squishy meat and with limited capabilities.

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    Depends entirely on how successful the media wanted him to be. He could be a just, moral and enlightened force for good, but if the he wasn’t dancing to the tune of certain corporations the public could very easily be made to hate him.

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    I’m ex-police (did 13 years - UK).

    In 13 years of active patrol, (if you’re not counting stopping someone suspicious, searching them and finding some drugs/weapon) I probably stumbled on a crime in progress maybe two or three times. Only one of those was what you’d call serious and that was a kid threatening another kid with a knife as i happened to walk round the corner.

    And a couple of shop lifters whilst I was in the security office having a cup of tea with the shop manager.

    The hardest part about being a vigilante is actually finding the crime in the first place.

    The second hardest part would be actually detaining them without any real authority. The knife lad dropped the knife immediately when I shouted at him. As a masked vigilante you wouldn’t have that authority. You don’t have any backup or anyone to call. And you dont have anywhere to take your captured criminal once you’ve detained them.

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    Hopefully they’d be arrested quickly. Crime isn’t some big force in the night you csn just go out and fight. It’s people doing things until the thing they do is illegal. It’s hidden usually. That person would probably beat up a lot of people who can’t be found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt and they’re likely to just get picked up for acting suspicious

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    Fighting street crime is tough, hard to find and it leaves little evidence. White collar crime OTH often leaves a paper trail. They don’t wear capes, but investigative journalists use these paper trails to uncover such crimes.

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    Finding it in the first place would be hard, and getting there faster than evenly-distributed squad cars would be even harder.

    Then once they get there, more often than not beating an individual person up isn’t the solution - even if it’s a domestic, the victims have a way of sticking up for the abuser. Or maybe it’s a dispute and you’re not sure who the bad guy is, and you’d need some kind of court system to work it out anyway.

    In real life where those problems can’t be written out, you’ve basically taken everything the police are criticised for and amplified it.

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      You could specialize in types of crime the cops don’t usually get involved in, like corporate wage theft.

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      Bruce Wayne would have reduced city crime way faster by building affordable housing, and tending to the basic needs of the homeless and the disadvantaged using only the extra profit margins of his wealth.

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        But he literally does. The problem is that Gotham is literally fucking cursed in a way that makes people aggressive and evil. And like, I don’t think that kinda stuff would stop the Joker from bombing orphanages, or Black Mask/Penguin from running protection rackets, or stop Killer Croc from literally eating people, or stop Nigma from putting people in actual Saw traps…

        Like, a good portion of Batman’s rogue gallery are people that the police CANNOT deal with. Hell, I would argue that even an entire counter-terrorism unit couldn’t deal with the bullshit the Batman rogues pull in a weekly basis.

        EDIT: Oh yeah, let’s not forget half of the police in Gotham (if not ALL OF IT) is corrupt and is getting bought by those SAME rogues.

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        The last movie touches on this in that there is a Wayne fund for this improving socioeconomic conditions, but every politician and mafia member has their fingers in it. Good shit. Could’ve cut the length by a good 40 minutes or so

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      Low level individual crimes wouldn’t be practical. Probably more worthwhile to try to follow more reliable organised crime or repeat offending criminals or something. Although even that wouldn’t practical as an individual without serious investigative resources and you’d still probably end up dead pretty quickly.

      The only successful vigilantism is probably the online entrapment of paedophiles or something of that sort. Even that is highly questionable.

  • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today
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    unless they have powers, they will end like luigi, weeks or months. unless you are cognizant enough to hit a different area/person every time.

    • Luigi continued to wear the same, or very similar, clothes long after the shooting. Batman doesn’t wear his costume when off duty. Also Luigi’s phone gave the cops all sorts of evidence. TheHatedOne on Youtube has a video on this.

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        None of that came close to bringing him down, though - it was normal clothing and I don’t think anything he did with his phone would have given him away in advance of being captured.

        The thing that really did it was his distinctive eyebrows being all over the news. A bit of basic disguise work would be smart if you want to do that kind of thing and get away with it. And probably don’t target a random health insurance bureaucrat.

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      My sister does this as a job. Builds big evidence piles and then hands them to federal authorities. They do the drive up and handcuff part, then lawyers do the rest. But if it’s evidence she’s compiled, you can be sure the defence can’t do much else than minimise penalty/jail time.

      The best part is she is able to do things the police can’t, then use that information to set up smoking guns that law can use.

      It’s about as superhero as someone can get without getting off the computer.

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          Mostly fraud, scamming, identity theft, credit theft, etc. Her employer’s industry can be a breeding ground for it, so she goes hunting for them. It protects them and the government relies on the collaboration.

          But there’s big responsibility. Unfortunately it seems a lot of people drag their family and friends into things by lying or scamming them too, trying to set them up as a scapegoat if they are discovered. So a big part of it is making that side of the story evident too before handing things over to the fed. Mother’s and siblings are the most frequent and hey’ll do all these fraudulent things they’re not aware of because their trusted family member with their “legitimate” business said it’s fine, so they don’t question it.

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            That’s really interesting. How do they get paid if they are doing all the work and then handing their research to the police?

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              Financially protects her employer. The police can bust someone, but it won’t get the money back. So it works two-fold. Makes trying to rip people off seem less enticing because the risks of being caught are higher than what the government can handle, this in turn also reduces financial risks for her employer too. So she’s a sought after security investment that also gets to help everyday people too.

              Best way to describe it, “whitehat”. Maybe grey t times… Something cybersec actually pays well for now where it used to just be a good ethics hobby.

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    Pre-19th century: would literally make out like a bandit, assuming they knew how to fight & had supernatural powers

    20th century: would make out like gangbusters until the invention and widespread use of CCTV

    21st century: without active electronic/optics countermeasures, it’s all over, anonymity of secret identity impossible to keep

    Same scenario goes for villains, who were previously able to simply outrun/outwit pursuit by authorities, often within the same country. Wire services made this more difficult, depending on the pursuers in question, then moreso with radio, then moreso with telephony & TV broadcasts, then moreso with the advent of the internet. Current tech can analyze recording of subjects and lift face shots, as well as highly specific information like gait (now sometimes touted in the same way as debunked “bite mark analysis” circa the 1980’s courts/justice system). A hoodie would be workable only under the loosest conditions, the second that anyone pulled off the hood, or the subject in question were photographed both with/without it on, it’s all over.

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      21st century: without active electronic/optics countermeasures, it’s all over, anonymity of secret identity impossible to keep

      What?!

      1. Mask on.

      2. No cell phone.

      3. Uncomfortable shoes to throw off gait recognition.

      4. Changing into it after you leave home, changing out of it before you go back. No car, no Uber, no public transport.

      It’s literally that easy.

      Unless you’re killing oligarchs, they wouldn’t catch you for anything else if taking those precautions.

      You don’t need to block every camera, just be unrecognizable when on camera, and have a place to lose the camera and change identities.

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        Describe for me how far from a city center or incident you think that you would have to travel - minus the car/uber/taxi/bus/train. 5, 10, 15, 20+ miles until zero cameras and a Superman telephone booth costume change?

        • 1/ Underground entrance to a base of operations with multiple above ground exits.

          2/ Any alleyway without cameras, wear the uniform over street clothes, put the uniform in a pocket backpack that packs down very small when empty.

  • gdog05@lemmy.world
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    I just don’t think you’d make up to the C Suite offices to do any good. Best you could do is maybe tackle a jaywalker.