Then what created your higher power?

The question is the same, you latched onto an additional point and acted like it not applying invalidated everything else…

Logic ain’t going to work, I’m sorry.

Then a higher power is an absolutely unnecessary step that provides zero benefit…

There’s only one test that ever mattered but modern tech made it outdated:

https://youtu.be/4df17uZyMs8?t=119

The principle is the same tho, just in general that little things are done by both parties to make it easier on the partner.

If a guy took the time to open a manual locked car door for his date to let her in first, and she didn’t take the two seconds to open his door, it may not be a reciprocal thing.

But the downvotes are because “test” indicates pass/fail. People get nervous around people they like and they may act stupid or insensitive just because you’re distracting them.

Green/red flags are better. Most shit is at most a caution.

Nah man, I just meant this one specific point, which is why I put it in this thread…

Shane Gillis said it best (paraphrased):

Racism is a lot like being hungry, most people aren’t always hungry. Some people are, but everyone gets hungry under the right conditions.

But it’s all the “isms”, they’re all just different ways to describe “in/out group bias” which older than humans, primates, and considering birds even mammals.

It’s a fundamental part of human life.

The only problem is people weren’t getting socialized first due to distance and then due to instuitional laws. And as people age they fall back on earlier “in/out group biases” of what they were exposed to as young.

Everyone can be guilty of “doing an ism” and most of the time not even realize it, really mean it, or even control it. The brain just stressed and falls back on that shit.

We fix it by understanding it and working towards the current new generation getting properly socialized and motivated enough to keep doing it

That’s why conservatives fight so hard against “indoctrination” seeing a demographic exists when young is all it takes to stop them from becoming “them” later. They’re just another member of the tribe to our monkey brains, they’re always be “us”.

Then it takes twice as much faith to believe a higher being existed before anything else…

It’s a chicken/egg.

If you want to be the most scientific these days it’s bubbles of reality getting created when two dimensional planes intersect or just come close to bumping up together. Which forms a bubble dimension which would have essentially random physics every time.

Which is pretty fucking far down the line to “nothing” but at the end of the day, what created the planar dimensions?

All adding a higher power does is add an extra step. Maybe it’s there, maybe it’s not.

It changes nothing. Because something created that first.

There’s energy/matter and no matter what we come up with to rationalize that (even the Matrix) it doesn’t explain it the whole way through, all of this is fundamentally impossible and we just have to accept that.

And also even if there’s an afterlife, were unlikely to get all the answers, because it almost certainly be some sort of middle management higher being who is just as ignorant of what made it, till maybe if/when it dies in which case our “ever after” has an end date.

Like, everyone just has to eventually reach the point they stop caring and settle for a personal “good enough”. Organized religion just gives everyone a set playbook which makes it easier to accept.

Huh?

There’s no ethical way or no ethical reason to kill them?

There’s both, it’s just bugging me that I don’t understand how I disagree with you.

You ever hear about the real weird shit where consciousness predates biological life and wife it will arise everywhere that a form of life could be supported?

Theory goes there’s there’s “aromatic rings” of simple chemicals that will naturally arrange into a structure that is 100% not alive. Kind of like a virus, but completely immobile and can’t directly interact with something as big as a cell, these are literally a dozen or so atoms strapped together.

These proto-consciousness can only experience two sensations, and due to arrangement will “prefer” one and avoid the other arrangement. They’re super basic and it’s really that binary.

However because they can act like a virus on an atomic level, they change things with the only drive to make things that look like them on an atomic level, because the only thing they experience is that is “good”.

It’s sounds nuts because I’m just going off memory, but shits a pretty big theory.

And is backed up with stuff like how when a crystalline structure is first synthesised, it will eventually be replaced by a different structure that took more initial energy to be produced initially. But after a “seed crystal” (again, atomic level) is present, it will quickly and effectively destroy any synthesis of the original polymorph.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ritonavir#Polymorphism_and_temporary_market_withdrawal

And fuck me if that isn’t the missing link between basic aromatic rings and viruses towards the evolution of life as we define it.

And I’m not saying “missing link” as just an expression…

They were intrigued by a molecule called ribo-aminooxazoline (RAO), which they discovered could react to form two of RNA’s nucleotide building blocks. RAO is among a rare class of crystals that enforce a single chirality: Once a crystal starts to grow from either right- or left-handed versions of the molecule, only molecules with the same chirality can bind to the structure. Such crystals, if they started with an initial bias, could have caused chiral RAO to build up.

https://www.science.org/content/article/breakthrough-could-explain-why-life-molecules-are-left-or-right-handed/

We need a good explanation for why a bunch of random shit lines up in one of two distinct and binary alignments because life needs that. And that’s what this this

Meaning life could spring up anywhere at any moment which is what you’re talking about.

Bonus pessimism:

https://www.sciencefriday.com/segments/mirror-life-risks-molecular-chirality/

Just because “our” side won the alignment war here on Earth, doesn’t mean that’s true everywhere. It could just have easily went the other way and developed what we call “mirror life” and scientists are actively trying to create it right now even tho that could wipe out everything bigger than basic bacteria…

That’s why it’s controversial, it gets the people going…

Even with all the disclaimers input in there with it, I 100% knew someone would say it was racist for zero logical reason, even without me saying that’s the reason it’s controversial.

It changes absolutely nothing about how we all evolved from an (actually insanely small) population that lived in Africa very recently on an evolutionary timescale. If anything it debunks racist beliefs that there’s large divides between who left and stayed.

But well intentioned people get mad and call me a racist, every single time.

the other sounds like a racially charged propaganda piece.

Exactly what I’m talking about.

Bring it up and people will literally change what you say and label it racist.

Our ancestors might not be “from” Africa.

There’s huge gaps in the historical record because of that whole ice age cycle thing.

Sapians may have evolved somewhere else, but either slowly migrated to Africa as safe haven or just died out everywhere else as glaciers bulldozed all traces of evidence.

It doesn’t really change anything, we’d still all be descendants of the same people. I just don’t think we know enough to for sure say the absence of evidence is the evidence of absence.

It’s not that long ago we thought all our ancestors lived in caves, just because evidence was most likely to be preserved then

And even then he could do that with any food place that doesn’t display his name.

This has been happening since the 80s…

Now it’s completely unavoidable, unless it’s someone close to you that manages to do it to the pile at the last second.

Like, I’m not saying trump is rational, I’m explaining his irrational logic for why he got used to it.

Anywhere in the country and most of the planet, someone can go buy $200 worth of McDonald’s and delivery it in under an hour. It’s what he’s used to

It’s because he’s paranoid about being poisoned…

Long before he was president he’d send people “undercover” to buy large amounts of fast food, then he’d eat a random portion. I suspect he even has others eat from the total first. That’s why he always serves to cold to sports teams and the like. He’s used to the crazy delays it comes with, he’s likely never had it fresh.

It’s also why he’s so fat. If everytime you ate it was from a pile of cold fast food and even after full there’s a pile left, anyone would over eat and become as obese as trump. That would take a godawful amount of willpower to resist, but constantly caving to cravings would fundamentally rewire your brain.

The “panda effect”!

Does anyone else remember when pandas were white with black spots?! We jumped realities!

/s

I’d say uniqueness more.

If one species of 47 different kind of European Swallows go extinct, it’s just not a big deal because the niche will be refilled in a few generations and in a decade they’d be pretty much the same as the OG.

If something like a platypus was threatened with extinction, a lot more people would care, because what the actual fuck is a platypus?!

That weird fuck survived when everything tangentially related to it except one animal half a world away that looks nothing like it died off long ago.

That shit we need to protect. And I’d go farther and say we should encourage diversification of those species so an entire branch of our planets genetic history is pruned.

Like those tiny pools of water that have been separated from all other life for millenia, it’s not enough to protect those organisms and their tiny natural habitats. We should be encouraging their growth and evolution, because absolutely nothing else would increase our planets genetic diversity as much as those weird living fossils.

Literally a fucking crime against humanity…

The term “forcible transfer” describes the forced relocation of civilian populations as part of an organized offensive against that population. It is a crime against humanity punishable by the International Criminal Court (ICC). The fifth punishable act of genocide is the forcible transfer of children from one protected group to another. The definition was part of a draft provided by the UN Secretariat that was used as the foundation for the 1948-adopted Genocide Convention.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/forcible_transfer

It’s understandable for someone to be ignorant of that, absolutely inexcusable for someone to actual think it would be a good idea just because no one with a room temp or above IQ told them.

You’re out advocating for genocide as the fucking ethical path forward.

I hope you don’t actually believe what you type.

Prevented it…

Like, the story that they just didn’t see it coming was bullshit, they knew it just like Cheney knew about 9/11, they wanted it to happen to play a victim.

But even months/years/decades earlier…

The attack happened because they’ve been treating Gaza as an open air internment camp for decades.

You can’t just pretend they were neighbors with no issues on 10/6, there was still a genocide going on that had lasted longer than most Palestinians have been alive

it seems likely some of them would be space travelors by now.

You just said:

There are billions of areas in the universe that are millions of years older than us

And:

amount we’ve advanced in the last 125 years

Logically, you understand that with two vastly different times scales over that much distance…

The chances of overlap is infinitly small?

Maybe they passed by before our solar system even formed. Maybe after our sun burns out they stroll by.

But why would they choose to spend their time wandering around in a spaceship anyways?

Even if they had instant travel making distance and time absolutely meaningless. If life is so plentiful and there’s so many that are that advanced, exponentially more at our level, and innumerable planets supporting more basic forms of life…

Why would they care about us?

We’re one in trillions to them.

Quick edit:

Back to the point, in that scenario we’d never be “no contact” because they wouldn’t care.

Any one planet wouldnt even be a rounding error.

We wouldn’t be one of the few they want to study. We’d be one of a huge number

What?

You’re literally ruling out the most likely scenario:

Life is spread out all over, but even if they knew we were here, they’d never get to us.

Like, there could be a planet on the exact same level as us, thinking the same thing about aliens. But if they’re 1,000 light years away, all the know about Earth is it has water. Something they might not even consider relative in the search for life if they don’t need water.

And even if they wanted to send us a signal and could figure out where to send it, best case scenario we get it in a thousand years and they have to wait at least two for a response they’d have no idea if we’d be capable of sending back.

Even if every planet tried to contact the first 10 planets with life they find, eventually the novelty would wear off and they wouldn’t keep wasting all the resources just to add another tally 2k years from now to the list of planets with life.

Everyone gets hung up on aliens wanting to interact with us, because we want aliens.

If an alien civilization is advanced to know about us, they don’t give a fuck about us. And they wouldn’t, except if they’re planning on such long timelines that their procedure for finding life is to just steer a couple giant asteroids at us.

A civilization capable of noticing us, just wouldn’t have anything to gain from interacting with us.

Deja Vu is a “save error” where we basically skip RAM and throw something straight to the hard drive. So we “remember” as we experience it, but can never get ahead of the present moment to “remember” the future.

Because it’s still just the present. We’re just experiencing a very short term glitch which is relatively normal, or accidentally inhaled a bunch ether or something similar and shits gonna be weird for 2-3 minutes straight before it wears off and the brain recovers.

Like, there’s not just short/long term memory. There’s a bunch of different types, but the “now” experience is it’s own type of memory and last fractions of a second. Break that even momentarily and you experience deja vu because everything just goes straight to the next level of memory. Which is working memory and cover seconds to minutes.

but I also think that’s how the APA presents it.

Well …

You’re wrong. Sorry to be blunt, but you’re just not getting it

Abstract The American Psychiatric Association’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) is a classification of mental disorders with associated criteria designed to facilitate more reliable diagnoses of these disorders. Since a complete description of the underlying pathological processes is not possible for most mental disorders, it is important to emphasize that the current diagnostic criteria are the best available description of how mental disorders are expressed and can be recognized by trained clinicians. DSM is intended to serve as a practical, functional, and flexible guide for organizing information that can aid in the accurate diagnosis and treatment of mental disorders. It is a tool for clinicians, an essential educational resource for students and practitioners, and a reference for researchers in the field. (PsycInfo Database Record © 2025 APA, all rights reserved)

https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2013-14907-000

Like, the APA can’t be more explicit that the DSM is not what you think it is…

And you just fucking insist that we take your word on what they say it is

But you’re wrong.

There’s nothing to debate here, there’s no discussion or interpretation.

That’s the abstract for the DSM written by the APA. I have no idea where you are getting the shit you’re saying from.