• drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world
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    Wakanda is a monarchist enthnostate that tortures outsiders and even shows outright hostility to those helping them. Their leadership is determined by the most violent among them. And this society is presented a utopia.

    I fucking hate these movies.

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      I tried watching the animated show recently, and its basically Wakanda throughout history stealing vibranium from other civilisations because they feel entitled to complete control over the element, usually with large amounts of colateral damage and theft of deeply important cultural artifacts in the process. I assume there’s some alegory I’m missing but they just come off as assholes.

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            Not really. Unlike the Marvel movies, Wakanda in the comics is not a perfect utopia and has a lot of its own prejudice.

            Well… To put it differently, unlike the movies, Wakanda’s prejudice isn’t depicted as a fine and perfectly acceptable utopia.

            Keep in mind, in the comics, Storm from The X-Men is Wakandan royalty. She should be queen. But she got exiled from her homeland at a rather young age for being a mutant.

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      The country is threatened by a villainous black liberation agitator and saved with the help of the CIA.

      They might as well have had Abdel Fattah El-Sisi play the lead role.

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    Well the funny part is that most of the “heroes” they sell are not really heroes, just defenders of a status quo america that never really existed

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    Check

    Teaching with Disney edited by Julie C. Garlen and Jennifer A. Sandlin, 2016 (including but not limited to “Teaching Disney Critically in the Age of Perpetual Consumption”)

    and

    The Mouse that Roared, Disney and the End of Innocence by Henry A. Giroux and Grace Pollock, 2010

    but the Tl;DR is that their only definition of “heroes” is whatever might sell anything and aligned with the ideology of a “founder” that arguably didn’t draw the mouse itself.

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    Grace Kelly said something similar years ago: “Hollywood amuses me. Holier-than-thou for the public and unholier-than-the-devil in reality.”. We have all known this for decades. The sleazy hollywood rapist was a thing long before Harvey was outed. They all knew, and yet they all kept their mouths shut.

    This is why its always been so perplexing to me that so much of society looks to hollywood for its morality lessons.

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    It reminds me of a meme I recently saw of a preacher in front of a bunch of Indians, and he says “Before we came, you worshipped the SUN!”

    And one of the Indians says “Dude, the sun is real.”

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      He has a point. It’s ironic that the only piece of “evidence” most religions have is a book written by humans.

      Any belief in the sun/moon/stars/whatever… At least you can point and say, there it is.

      But Christianity is normal and not crazy at all, and believing in Ra is the crazy thing… Sure. Yeah.

      I think it’s all nuts. But whatever.

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        the only piece of “evidence” most religions have is a book written by humans.

        Evangelism typically involves more than just a book. There’s inevitably some amount of mysticism - faith healing, weather events that turn the tide of a pitched battle, communing with the dead, miraculous survival stories, straight up stage magic.

        Any belief in the sun/moon/stars/whatever… At least you can point and say, there it is.

        There’s inevitably some kind of reverse causation in these faiths. Humans are constantly asserting they can manipulate the heavens with ritual and sacrifice.

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    JK Rowling wrote a whole book series about how bullying is a horrible and self-perpetuating cycle, and now spends most of her time bullying a marginalised group

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      JK Rowling

      No, Joanne!

      I.e., I understand she greatly prefers (absolutely detests) being addressed that way. :D

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        She’s literally been denying the Holocaust killed trans people. She funded a court case that made it so that were I live in the UK, it would be illegal for me to piss in any public restroom.

        That’s like saying David Irving was “viciously attacked for having opinions out of the mainstream.”

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        No.

        Other people’s right to exist is not just “an opinion outside of the mainstream”, and she is not just quietly “having” these opinions.

        Delete your post and don’t make anything like it again. Zero fucking tolerance for Nazis.

        Edit: wait I just had a look and this is a 5-day old troll account posting nazi shit all over Lemmy. Reporting and blocking

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            “Alternative Facts” and opinions that do not correlate with reality (like the “opinion” that trans people or any other vulnerable group are in any way lesser beings or do not have the right to exist) are either mental derangement or straight up lies. and these lies are poisonous for communities and lead to to prejudice and violence, so they have to be called out and stopped whenever possible.

            Just like yours.

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          Nobody that starts to reply with WTF and LOL ever makes it worthwhile point.

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            I would normally agree with that, but in this case it’s really the only appropriate response. Did you even see the absolute idiocy khaleer was responding to? I mean, WTF, LOL.

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                Who gives a fuck if JK Rowling has a less than enlightened view on trans people? Like other than a passing fuck you on that JK rowling, is that what’s really important here?

                If money and fame didn’t equate political influence, then yeah, no-one would give a fuck about her personal opinions.

                As it is though, she’s a billionaire who has helped fund and push through anti-trans (bathroom) legislation in the UK.

                JK Rowling backs protest over Scottish gender bill

                I read her posts about the issue and didn’t find them in and of themselves that problematic if that was just some person’s view. But, again, she’s an influential billionaire who wants to push through laws which actively endanger trans people.

                I still like Harry Potter though, but I’m not gonna fund it in any way. And haven’t, for like 20 years.

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                  I do not know all the ins and outs, I do know she also opposed Scotland going for Independence which I think was a big mistake for them not to do. She obviously does not have the best opinions or analysis. Still though I think the reaction to her has been outsized to the amount of influence she would have had if not for being constantly attacked.

                  These hedge fund douchebags quietly fund this stuff and cause way more damage than she does without mention for instance.

                  There are no shortage of villains, and she is rather small potatoes. Also though it throws people into the arms of the far right over attacking a popular persona. She would not be meeting with Far Right figures or sponsoring legislation if not for an outsized vicious attack against her shitty opinions.

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        Her opinions are old school mainstream. She’s against the culture shift and if she existed decades ago, she’s be more openly racist rather then transphobic.

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        She is not defending herself. She is attacking. She is funding hate groups with money.

        Fuck Joanne and her stupid wizard world. It’s all built on ideas of imperialism apologia anyway

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        I’ve had a couple friends sprout bs like this.

        What I’ve done with them is I ask them to check her twitter out with me. If more than 7 of her most recent 10 tweets at any time aren’t anti trans bs I’ll agree with them that she’s defending herself.

        I’m gonna invite you to whenever you see this message go on her twitter and count. Then come back and tell me if she’s just defending herself or if she made it a huge part of her personality hating a minority.

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          Seeing as we lost the public discussion maybe something isn’t working here.

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    TBH their “heroes” are pretty fascist too. Princes, princesses, etc. It’s a total shitshow in terms of class.

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      And the ones who are not are almost all solders and cops. With two exceptions that I can think of, Spiderman who might as well be rich do to his friendships and connections and antman who they treated like shit.

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    I have been thinking the superhero movies were having many fascist themes themselves. And their popularity was helped by a growing authoritarian movement in the USA.

    The actual comics do not have many of the above issues, the movies reinforced certain themes.

    I say this as someone who liked the comic books for many decades

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      I pissed off a lot of, supposedly left leaning, comic book fans when I told them I thought Tony Stark had a good point that the super heroes in the MCU needed to be regulated. They were doing too much investigating and acting on their own without any oversight to not make people nervous. Same with Justice League Unlimited.

      At least with Superman(2025), the hero’s intervention in world affairs was just a scaled up Bystander Effect.

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        I was thinking something else, like

        The Boys Showrunner, Eric Kripke, says the superhero ultimately exists to protect the status quo, to keep things as they are or once were during more nostalgic times, while the supervillain seeks change. A superhero is pro-establishment, working to uphold the system, and viewers can be trained to believe some exceptional being will fix everything.

        The earlier superhero movies made in the USA helped support the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and there were strategies and meetings to deliberately do just that.

        I think the later Marvel movies drifted away from typecasting the villains and made the plots less American centric. But it did not loose the parallels to the popular movies in Germany made in the late 30’s.

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      Yeah it’s not great the way supers tend to validate vigilantism. Ultimately you can have rule of law or some form of tyranny. There are middle grounds, but those are the options. Also the hero’s journey literary paradigm has regressive aspects. 🤓

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        “Rule of Law” is itself a form of tyranny. It is nothing more than the dictates of a hierarchical authority, originating from the authority of kings, trying to assert its control over others. It is a fundamentally oppressive system that can and has repeatedly throughout history been used to facilitate the oppression of marginalized peoples.

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        superhero movies were having many fascist themes themselves.

        you can have rule of law or some form of tyranny

        Yeah like that one!