Looks like someone took some shots at prez candidate Donald Trump at a rally in PA. From the videos I’ve seen, it looks like he did get grazed.
This fucking shooter could set behind democracy in the US for dozens of years. Land the shots and you martyr him, miss and you galvanize his support. Seriously the conservatives were starting to shift away from the far right after Epstein documents and Project 2025. Now deep state wackos will NEVER go away and resort to crazier armed shit. Seeing people comment that the shooter ‘was so close’ is insane and makes them no better than political extremists.
There’s also a ton of very religious rhetoric being used about Trump now. He’s literally becoming the Messiah and a true religious hero fighting whatever evil is out there. God is saving him from bullets and what not. There’s going to be some interesting sermons in evangelical churches around the country these next few weeks. Yikes.
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Canadian here.
Your chance to save democracy comes at the ballot box, not by shooting candidates.
Have “more shots” in the voting booth with Ranked Choice voting. First Past The Post voting artificially limits our magazine size to two shots. We deserve the right to have a standard or even high capacity magazine.
More chances to stop the Republicans. More chances Republicans would pick a more moderate candidate. More representation. More freedom.
Half the comments here are proving that people on the right aren’t the only ones who can indulge in stupid conspiracy theories.
It’s depressing as fuck.
Q-Anon level thinking that somehow Trump is a mastermind of this. The dude who can’t hide stolen files properly, can’t lie on his taxes properly, and loses money on a casino, somehow has the ability to rig a false flag assassination attempt.
Are NeoLibs that so far into the Kool-Aid that Dipshit Trump is also a grandmaster 5D chess player of this, while not being able to string words together? It’s not like he’s even been a good actor.
Trump isn’t even the mastermind of his own bowel movements. If this was staged it was all planned by his Russian handlers.
Roger Stone would be my guess.
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I am glad Russia has no experience whatsoever with this type of operations
It’s fun to indulge in, and it doesn’t change the fact that shit is about to hit the fan, regardless of whether the shooter was someone with a legitimate desire or a paid gunman. Trump was just given and used a golden ticket to both rally republicans to vote for him, and to incite his diehard followers into another insurrection.
Sure, but I don’t think being an ironic conspiracy theorist on the levels of Q-Anon is going to make anyone seem better.
Trump was already going to do that. Trump would do it if someone sneezed on him. They already considered him a martyr. They already wanted/have an Enabling Act. The only thing this changes is a bit less blood in him, and 3 people died. Trump already had higher polling numbers.
Fascism is here. Get ready.
It won’t make anyone here seem better, I agree. But at the same time, it’s not like we’re going to have the opportunity to joke around like this after the inevitable happens.
Enjoy life while you still can, you know?
changes is a bit less blood in him
I admit I saw a red fluid on his face.
A “false flag assassination attempt” is not as hard to rig if you know it won’t be properly investigated.
Yeah there are some real idiots in this thread. Very depressing
It’s representative of the current state of this country honestly.
I’d imagine that there are a lot of rather confused individuals in a number of countries, and when tempers run high around politics…shrugs
I don’t know if the US would be particularly bad. Would need to have some kind of way to quantify that.
Neoliberals are pro-trump, plan 2025 calls for going after people with student loans
It doesn’t take a mastermind. Dictators faking assassination attempts to garner support isn’t new.
“All right ear me big sniper guy, it’s going to be an attempted assassination, the biggest ever, you are going to shoot me close, like danger close but don’t worry I’m the best president, really I’m the best and you are the best sniper, the best sniper in the whole country. So you shoot me near the ear, near enough that blood comes out, I know scary stuff, but we are tough guys, the toughest so you do it and I resist and together we make the best attempted staged assassination ever”
- Shamelessly stolen from a blog
What I find sad is that either option is equally plausible. That’s how low we have sunk.
It isn’t though. There is maybe a 0.01% chance that this was a false flag.
I know what’s happening is hard to swallow, and the ramifications are deeply troubling, but try not to succumb to baseless conspiracy theories.
There’s plenty of motive. An attendee was killed. The shooter was killed by Secret Service. There’s not really a reason to think this didn’t actually happen, except for cognitive dissonance.
0.01% chance based on what?
I think being unsure either way makes perfect sense. You gotta admit it doesn’t really line up with Trump’s character to be posing for the cameras if he’s actually being shot at. Though tou’re not wrong to say, that that isn’t proof of anything. It’s subjective feeling.
But, I think saying it’s entirely unlikely this was orchestrated isn’t right either.
Well, a conspiracy requires evidence, and without evidence there’s no reason to treat the conspiracy theory as credible.
Saying 0% would be unrealistic because there’s always a chance, but if you actually believe that this is a 50/50 toss-up, you’re just delusional and desperate to feel some sense of enlightenment like every other conspiracy theorist moron in the world.
Given that there is precisely zero evidence of what you are claiming, I’ll estimate as close to zero as I can without pretending it’s impossible.
But make no mistake, you are deliberately spreading disinformation.
I’m not claiming anything. It’s just really, really early after the event.
My choice of words was not ideal, and I apologize for that.
I’m just saying being unsure of what happened isn’t crazy so soon after the event.
You’re out here saying what is and is not likely based on your own feelings about what you feel is true.
It’s simply too early to say anything definitive about what level of conspiracy existed (in the traditional sense, of more than one person, conspiring).
I am not saying this was staged. I’m saying you’re jumping the gun, to say so confidently it wasn’t.
I wonder what the chances are that Russia did this.
Zero unless you have some sort of evidence of that.
I don’t disagree with you, but you completely missed my point.
Your point is that you think you’re allowed to spread misinformation if that misinformation sounds like it maybe could be true. This is the rationale of every conspiracy theorist ever. You’re not making an intellectually honest point here.
If your point is that you’re a dishonest person who cares more about narrative than facts, point received.
The shooter was killed by Secret Service.
Very convenient.
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Care to clarify? I can’t make sense of your comment.
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Ah, got it. You just misinterpreted my comment.
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You:
You are putting that conspiracy theory on the same level as any Qanon theory
This is false. Here’s what I said, “people on the right aren’t the only ones”
Like I said, you misinterpreted.
How do you know their political leanings?
Just quid pro quo.
What’s worse is that the MAGA crowd has Trump and some other figures intentionally playing conspiracies up and adding weight to them. The guys on the left don’t even have the excuse of Biden and company bullshitting.
On this topic as a whole, it’s also proving people on the left are in favor of gun violence…
Antifascists have a long history of shooting Natzi.
Not like it really needs proving. When Marx writes about “revolution,” he means bloody, violent revolution.
Anyone advocating revolution needs guns to back it up or else they’re just full of hot air.
Elections were meant to be bloodless revolutions. Unfortunately with First Past The Post voting, the right options were not available to vote for. But we can change how we vote. We can make peaceful revolution possible with a more representative electoral system.
And how! I love the irony tho.
But why would you even think that people on the left are different from people on the right? This is why I’m not into politics myself. Because it all builds on some fake idea that one side is right about everything, even good people, while the other is wrong about everything, and probably are bad people as well.
In reality, both sides are very similar and have much more incommon with eachother than they have with the politicians they are trying to support.
My understanding is that on average there are differences in psychology between conservative and progressive people. For example, conservative people tend to be okay with unfairness, since from their point of view society is a hierarchy and of course the people at the top are better off.
Anyway, given that conservative and progressive people have a different vision of an ideal society and also different ideas about how to get there, it is reasonable to expect them at act differently. We know that most politically motivated violence is from the right.
I’m sure conservatives have the same views on the other side, something negative, based in fear. If you think about it, all of politics is fear of change in a direction we don’t want, but others do.
In a family when this happens, family members talk about it and try to understand eachother. At least in a good family. In a dysfunctional one, family members go to war with eachother. And that’s what I see in politics. There is no feeling of being humans on a ball together at all.
That’s blue maga for ya.
“blue maga” implies that there is a cult of personality around Biden like there is around Trump. That is simple not what anyone opposed to Trump believes in or rallies around.
Funny, because people used that term to describe the “vote blue no matter who” people well before Biden was ever a serious contender in the primaries…
You mean the primarys for this election that Biden is the sitting president? Or primarys four years ago when he was the guy pushed immediately to the top before the primarys?
Four years ago. This isn’t a new term of phrase.
So… When he was the top runner before the primarys.
What are you trying to say?
Based on what? Neither of you know who they support or which way they lean.
BlUe MaGa!!1!
So? This happens in Schools all the time?
Well this is gonna raise his chances of winning by a large amount
People keep repeating this, but without convincing justification.
All I see is, people who were already energized to solidly vote trump, are now really really solidly already going to really vote for him now. I just don’t see how this will get someone to vote trump, who was either going to vote dem or not vote.
People just say things.
You raise a good point. I am far, far less heartbroken by this than Sandy Hook and Uvalde. Republicans made this all possible.
Guess some of those 2nd Ammendment guys might be “trying to do something about it” eh Donnie?
This is what you get when you preach hate 24/7. This isn’t a gameshow.
reap what you sow
Well things are about to get a whole lot worse. That raised fist is going to be printed on all the right-wing crazy stuff and they will use this to justify violence against anyone opposing Trump.
Jan 6 is going to look like pleasant stroll compared to what’s coming after this…
It was going to happen anyways eventually
End stage capitalism any% WR exploit TAS
pretty much. electoralism has never stopped fascism.
With the supreme court ruling regarding official acts we have already reached the point where democracy is on its last breaths.
This is the time for escalation that people can’t ignore in favor of bickering over if the non fascist is old.
if only it was that easy
Mr Trump could be seen ducking for cover behind the lectern.
I like attempted assassination victims that don’t duck for cover.
I wonder how much we’re going to hear about the poor person who got shot in the head right behind him, or if they’re just incidental margin notes in history, overshadowed by the big WWE media theater that is Trump. Reports are saying at least two crowd members have died.
edit: the family of the victim has given an update that Trump hasn’t even attempted to reach out to them. And also, the guy was an avid nutcase, nazi and racist. The world won’t be worse-off, we can sleep easy.
Oh Trump will absolutely bring them up at every single rally to froth up the crowd. Because he may be the martyr they care about the most, but the martyrs who actually died will be great ammunition (I can’t think of a more appropriate word, sorry) to rile up the crowd.
That is assuming there is another rally, and today’s incident wasn’t just the catalyst for a Jan 6 sequel. Knowing his supporters, I’m not holding my breath, unfortunately.
Considering the number of people here claiming this was Trump staging a false flag, I am absolutely certain there are a similarly large number of people on the right saying this was Biden trying to assassinate Trump and something must be done. So I hope not.
Republicans have blamed Joe Biden for the attempted assassination tonight, accusing the president of whipping up opposition to Donald Trump.
JD Vance, who is one of the frontrunners to be Trump’s running mate, said: “Today is not just some isolated incident. The central premise of the Biden campaign is that President Donald Trump is an authoritarian fascist who must be stopped at all costs.”
“That rhetoric led directly to President Trump’s attempted assassination,” he added.
Mike Collins, a Republican congressman from Georgia, said: “The Republican District Attorney in Butler County, PA, should immediately file charges against Joseph R. Biden for inciting an assassination.”
He also tweeted that Mr Biden “sent the orders”.
Prosecuting the president for stochastic terrorism? That’s a precedent they really don’t want to set with Trump as their candidate.
That they are pushing it is evidence they don’t think they’ll have to follow the rule of law if they win.
That they are pushing it is evidence they don’t think they’ll have to follow the rule of law if they win.
They won’t. The Supreme Court already determined that.
All I’m hearing is that they think Biden told the truth and used the power the Heritage Foundation SCOTUS explicitly gave him, and now they’re inexplicably butthurt about it.
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They chose to go to a rally to support a man who wants to be a “dictator on day one” they made their choice.
Wasn’t one an eight year old?
I think you’re thinking of a school shooting.
It’ll take more than that to stop a Bull Moose!
I say we elect that one guy behind him who barely reacts at all
Honestly, they’re all so dead inside up there that I’m amazed any of them even flinched.
Remember that Biden is immune thanks to the SCOTUS.
He has a alibi, he’s in Delaware. But as long as it was an official act, he could order it.
He wouldn’t do it himself. He would order Seal Team 6 to do t. They wouldn’t have missed, though.
Nah, this was obviously Hunter Biden in a Gritty Suit. The gunman who got massacred by the cops was just a patsy like Lee Harvey Oswald
A Libertarian friend from Florida joking suggested Hunter Biden. I think it was Melania.
The fact that mods are actually doing their jobs in this thread restores some of my faith in Lemmy.
Would the world be a better place without Trump? Probably. Is this the way? No.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Somebody could shoot Trump on 5th Avenue and nobody important would care.
Would absolutely not care about Trump. Would absolutely care about the incensed conservative mob with minimal brain cells, rage and guns starting shit
Unless there is someone to direct that rage, they’ll have no idea what to do with it, or where to direct it.
There will always be people that direct that rage, Trump is a cult leader but he’s not the only influencer
trump is a fortuitous puppet. he ran for president in the past too, but he didn’t win because the times weren’t right for it.
Their rage is mostly impotent. When push comes to shove, I think the vast majority of them will stay home and continue posting on Truth Social.
Did you miss the whole Jan 6th thing?
Christ. Now I’m envisioning his future campaign speeches. “They try to shoot me down, I am an immortal.”
we’ll never hear the end of it.
We will hear it for another 10 years when he finally has his hamburger heart attack.
Campaign? Doesn’t really need to even campaign anymore after this. Maybe he will mention it at a state of the confedarcy talk or something. These are such shitty times.
Sweet, shoot again
if bolsonaro is any indication, this is just turning him into a martyr.
really terrible job by whoever tried it.
All the martyrdom, none of the benefits of him actually dying.
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Wow you are so calm and level-headed. I would be tempted for twice at least for a good measure. What if they missed it?
pushed against secret service to face cameras and have his head exposed for a long period of time?
Ok, that’s in the range of “you don’t have anything to hide if you’re innocent”, shut up.
This is the dumbest shit and we need to fucking grow up a bit. These “questions” are asinine and not that hard to explain.
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Not denying the incident was reported, but there’s a heavy insinuation here that this was set up or manufactured. If so… They needed an entire Secret Service detail, local event police and everyone standing by to be in on it. A couple hundred people are going to be involved and no one leaks it?
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“Supposed” gunman. I like how you pivot from “this is probably set up” to “ok even if it was real Trump is capable of worse”
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Again, the insinuation of an inside job here. We’re going to involve a hundred or more people and no one thought it would be a problem to kill a bystander? Or the gunman was so good he killed a specific plant? And they had a 100% success rate… No one heard the plan and thought “oh this is a bad idea” and spoke out about it?
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Big difference between deleting text messages and MURDERING AN AMERICAN to further a political agenda.
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Yes. Things happen all the time. Trump people are saying this is to distract from Biden being inept. There’s always a convenient time.
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Yes you dumbshit he was concerned about his hat because they already had the all clear. The shooter got taken out in seconds. They wouldn’t have moved Trump. And they all were saying it was all clear. Also have you ever seen people in an absolute panic? Not the most rational state. Same thing with his shoes. That’s ALSO why he took the photo op. They all dove on top of him. They figured out the shooter’s location and took him down before Trump even got up.
There’s pictures of the fucking bullet in flight. So either that was ALSO manufactured (a member of the press willingly heard the plan ahead of time and doctored a photo or they actually shot a bullet inches away from Trumps head AND captured it). But no let’s just get Trump, a bumbly ass fuck to orchestrate this perfectly. I’m sure he had it a planned to go down, and everyone covered him and he pulled out a razor blade, cut his ear, and put it away, all perfectly executed and no one caught anything on camera from any of the dozens of angles.
This shit is so fucking stupid and I’m so sick of hearing about it. These points all rely on the most ass backwards way of thinking where dozens of people are in on this conspiracy and relies on all of them bring cool with killing someone to make it good for Trump.
Get this shit outta here. This doesn’t deserve the pixels on the screen used to illuminate this nonsense. Be a fucking grown up. We’re going to have to figure out a real way to beat Trump, not pretend this was some false flag bullshit. Accept reality. Be a goddamn adult.
I’m not even saying you’re wrong for questioning, but I am saying you are wrong because the sheer volume of things that would need to occur for this theory to be even remotely possible is so ridiculous, I would consider aliens an equally plausible situation.
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I suppose we need even more guns.
This wouldn’t have happened if Trump had a gun on him smh
Isn’t he banned being a felon
Technically not a felon until sentencing.
So in the mean time, we can call him:
Presumptive felon nominee
Felony frontrunner
Felon electIsn’t he banned being a feeling?
Oh, he’s More Than a Feeling
After giving due remarks, could Biden sign an executive order for sweeping gun control and name it after Trump and present this incident as the impetus?
No the executive can’t create laws.
Genius.
Disarming the resistance right before a fascist takeover is not the genius move you think it is.
Democrats_IRL
If he was wearing armor made of guns he wouldn’t be bleeding.
Biden testing his Presidential Immunity.
Just a warning shot
Just a little off the top
Gotta start somewhere.
Official Act™
Take it like Teddy you wimp.
