Whatever damn fool did this has just made the situation about a million times worse. I don’t give a shit who did this, it was the worst move you could have made at the worst time you could have made it.
And those of you jumping to immediate conspiracy theories need to stop and think about how much we tend to make fun of Republicans for doing literally the exact same thing. Us spending the next 3 days circlejerking each other off our own bullshit conspiracy theories isn’t gonna help the situation, its just gonna make us all look like a bunch of hypocrites. Wait a few days, get whatever info they are willing to give us, and then try to figure out what happened. If it still looks fake or like a false flag or whatever the fuck after that point, whatever. but for gods sake use some critical thinking to get there instead of jumping to conclusions with no info.
For what its worth, I am extremely anti-trump, I am scared shitless of what will happen should he win a second term. But dear god, please think about the way you all are acting, when you act like the same kind of psychopaths you claim to stand against it is not a good look. please consider that before you post.
I could not agree more. Aren’t we supposed to be the ones who care about democracy, about humanity, and about logic and reason?
Some innocent bystander died, and their family is going to sleep tonight without their loved one alive for the first time. Others are waiting anxiously in hospitals while their innocent loved ones are in critical condition. Fuck Trump, but no one deserves to have been killed or maimed for being at one of his rallies.
Exactly, we all need to be together on this. This is fucking crazy.
The Boogaloo crowd just got handed exactly what they needed to, in their minds, justify basically anything.
You’re absolutely right. However, they were going to find a reason regardless, since violence was always their end goal.
If it wasn’t this idiot it would have been something else: Trump losing the election is any easy one. The “Boogaloo crowd” resorting to violence was inevitable – the only thing that has changed is we can no longer pretend it’s tomorrow’s problem.
You’re absolutely right. However, they were going to find a reason regardless, since violence was always their end goal.
Any excuse will serve a tyrant - Aesop
It is the match being held to the fuse of the powder keg.
Today is going to be a chapter in the future textbook entitled, “The Fall of the American Empire.”
They were going to do that anyway, but nevertheless.
This has immense rhetorical power in terms of amping up support. It makes it easier to recruit, justify, pursue goals, etc.
Put in in Hoi4 terms. If ‘political capital’ can be reasonably simplified into a score, a currency, this is ‘bank error in your favor, have a buttload of free points.’
…with which you can more easily pursue a wide variety of actions or policies.
Nah, he’s still a fascist and when anyone reads up on Project 2025 is not going to change their mind about him over this.
It’s not those who care about it that are an issue here
Sure, but awareness is spreading like wildfire. People underestimate Americans. Once a critical mass of Americans start pushing in one way, it’s next to impossible to stop them.
Oh, I sure hope you are right, and since there’s contradictory hearsay I will only know when it happens anyway
If insurrections are no big deal I don’t see how assassination attempts are something to get upset about.
Seriously. The last 8 years have shown us that 99% of people are pretty rock solid of who they are voting for. Attempting to overthrow the government moves the needle 0.1%
I’ll give you a federated upvote, as I am a Canadian and don’t mind FBI scrutiny
Should we continually be tolerant of the intolerance that wishes to do violence to us and/or destroy our democracy? I’m not advocating for assassination of anyone, but when something like this happens I’m not surprised, nor do I feel much sympathy for a rapist, fraudster, wife beater, advocate of overturning a legitimate election, child beater, person who dog whistles violence against people who don’t support him…etc.
Yeah, the worst thing is that he’s going to capitalize on this. He will make every effort to use it for his personal gain, and being as reactionary as he is I wouldn’t be surprised if he dog whistled his followers into some violence. I bet he’s glad he got shot. He’s going to milk it for everything it’s worth.
But one thing I am in complete agreement with is making everything a conspiracy. Damn it’s getting old. Epstein, Boeing, this… ridiculous.
Logic and reason? In my social media feed?
This is now my quote of the year.
Thank you, wise stranger.
Hey I am here you know
I’m no conspiracy guy… But goddam they sure did take their pick of pictures to release showing a bloody trump with fist up in front of a flag that just happened to be waving there. If nothing else, GOP and FOX will say the libs tried to kill Trump, not ’ the assassin’ tried, but the libs tried. And let the fundraising begin for the GOP
It was a political rally. Those are always done with flags. It was a political rally, there were a bunch of cameras running. Many of which were taking dozens if pictures every second; there wasn’t even anything to release there, the media was the ones taking the video. Of course the most striking image would be the one to catch on, and from watching a video of it, that seems like the obvious moment to take.
It was some fast thinking and good political instinct (although bad survival instinct) to make a photo perfect pose while getting escorted out by secret service.
It was some fast thinking and good political instinct (although bad survival instinct) to make a photo perfect pose while getting escorted out by secret service.
I’ve heard reporting say that he was informed that the shooter was already taken out by the time he fist-pumped.
He was at one of his rallies, which are usually thick with flags. The more likely conclusion is likely the correct one.
Yeah the conspiracies in this thread are cringe. Is it really such a stretch to think that a very hated individual was the target of a botched assassination? No, can’t be! Must be a false flag!
Everyone needs to calm the fuck down. This was quite clearly real and not staged.
I don’t believe it was a false flag for the sole reason that I don’t believe any of them would be competent enough for that level of precision.
Time to get out of this shit hole country?
I’ve never been to the US but these goings on concern all of us. Like it or not the US has a lot of influence. It’s position on China, Russia, Climate Change, et cetera, will set the standard for half the globe.
But if they end up in a civil war its influence will be much lower.
Well, it’s lack of influence would be significant.
No opposition to Russia & China…
Russia can be a problem. China has a different way of doing business. And if what they do in Africa can be used as a blueprint, it’s not a bad prospect. Becoming a business partner instead of making coups.
I don’t like the way China rules in China but with other countries it behaves much better than the US or the EU.
That might be true presently but would that remain the case if there were no one to oppose them?
I don’t think for a moment that the US is a well-behaved global citizen, but China is absolutely ideologically opposed. Their behavior in the south china sea in recent years is not at all that of a business partner. They have however invested heavily in the region to develop strategic locations.
You are opposing a certainty (US’s behavior) with a uncertain possibility (China’s behavior if it wasn’t there the US).
Now think how many coups have the seal of the US or the USSR and how many have the seal of China.
It’s been time. For a long time.
Yup. As much as I hate the GOP and Trump, this is a pretty big Occam’s razor moment.
Most people are treating this like Abraham Lincoln or Martin Luther King shooting, but it’s not. These people were liked and generally seen as good.
This shooting is more akin to a Hitler shooting, which he had survived many, and was not liked. This is not a martyr situation and most are not going to change their feels for trump.
Trump is definitely liked, there are tons of people who like him. Half the country likes him.
MLK and Lincoln stood against something that was objectively evil. And not half the country likes him, he will still lose the popular vote.
Some people even liken him to Jesus.
The religious zealots do, for sure
It fucking blows my mind people jump straight into, “well what if it’s staged.” What does that fucking solve? Questions about answering questions and those people act like they know something or they are more aware than the rest of the world when the big fucking picture is being missed and it is right in front of their fucking face. This only fuels repubs saying, “it was an assassination attempt by the left wing.”
Trump might be the future dictator of the US but this is just far more ammunition for the very guns that just tried to kill him and this is lighter fluid.
This shit is fucking nuts and none of it is good for anyone stop fucking trying to pull the video apart and going, “see see, it’s fake.” It doesn’t fucking matter because the damage is done.
I always like to say to conspiracy theorists. If COVID was started by China prove to me it wasn’t started by the U.S.
Also, two people are dead; one of which is the potential shooter. If it were staged, the shooter got a pretty bad deal.
“Hey if you go do this your family will never have to worry about finances again”
Would make anyone think twice
Anyone? I think you might be projecting. Also, the dude was 20. I don’t think he has a family of his own. And it is kind of hard to keep that a secret of his entire family were suddenly insanely rich. Trump could not even keep a $100k payment to a porn star secret.
It was a republican.
I don’t think this will change a thing. Nobody is changing their vote over this.
It’s just an attempt to incite violence.
That’s just not true. Lots of people on the fence will vote for him now.
Doubtful, these last few political years have been too divisive.
Let’s also take note here that your account reads like a smurf/bot account. I miss RES tagged so I could tag bad faith actors.
What’s a Smurf? And what’s bad faith about what I say?
Look, I don’t mean to be an ass but if you genuinely don’t think this changes a thing you are a part of the problem.
It doesn’t for Democrat voters. They’re only voting against Trump. This doesn’t change who DT is, his viewpoints, or his past actions. This doesn’t change him being a Felon and a suspected pedophile. All this is an attempt to incite more violence.
Let me present an situation to you:
Trump and his party: “a crazy left wing fucker tried to kill me. Let’s take them Dems down vote repub” and lots of other pushing agendas and statements about Dems being killers.
If you don’t feel like this isn’t more fuel for that then again you are missing the point. This will absolutely shift votes.
How is this going to “shift votes”? How exactly? From who? Who’s really on the fence between the “Old man” and the convicted felon suspected to be a pedophile attempting to become king? No sane person is shifting vote over this and the insane are already vehemently R.
The amount of folks in here that seem to be okay with someone being assassinated is disgusting. This is not how sane people get things accomplished. Shameful.
I loathe Trump, but man, the hypocrisy in the air is stifling.
Ehh. On one hand, of course, and it’s not good for your psyche to revel in the idea of death.
Buuut, when the context of the discussion is global politics, human lives are put through the wood chipper by the thousands because of what does or doesn’t happen. So the scale of severity we’re working with is just different.
Tell it to shinzo Abe.
Wait
Watch the video. This is a false flag and a lazy one at that. Dude stabbed himself in the ear with a pin, got a group hug on stage and started FIST PUMPING from inside a ring of special service. Head out, fist up, like “HERE I AM. IM NO COWARD”. You know who does that? Actors. Who know the script and have rehearsed the scene.
Moon landing is fake.
Earth is flat.
9/11 was CGI.
My wife cheating on me was gen AI.
The blood on Trump’s ear was an Instagram filter.
Nothing’s real anymore.God, you’re so smart. You’re just the smartest person, you know that? Everyone likes you for how smart you are. I’d like to start an applause for this hero, if everyone doesn’t mind.
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Wrong.
Could history please have the decency not to re-enact how Hitler survived dozens of assassination attempts?
This is exactly what I’m afraid of.
I’m afraid he is going to ride this into the White House or it ignites open political shootings. Not a good time.
Oh, he is definitely getting reelected. That is an absolute certainty at this point.
It will galvanize his base, who were already voting for him, to be sure. But I doubt this will swing many voters. Trump is still Trump, regardless of assassination attempt.
But I doubt this will swing many voters.
Then you are incredibly historically naive. He was already winning by every available metric. So, if nothing had changed at all there was already an extremely high likelihood of him being reelected. This only serves to further strengthen his chances.
I don’t think people really understand how stupid, brainwashed, and weak minded the average American truly is. There are plenty of people who will vote for him because surviving an assassination attempt makes him look strong. Count on it.
He was already winning by every available metric.
I just looked for myself, and NPR/PBS survey has Biden ahead. Many other polls have it basically tied. A few have Trump in the lead by 2-3 points.
I wouldn’t personally call that winning by every available metric, although I would agree with you that it looks like Trump has a slight lead.
Were those national popular vote polls? If so, you have to factor in the electoral advantage Republicans have. If the national popular vote is tied, Republicans will win.
Individual polls are meaningless. I only care about the trends of the the aggregate polling. Five Thirty Eight has had Trump leading by an average of 2 points in aggregate polling basically from the beginning. There has never been a time where Biden was ahead during this election cycle. Therefore, using the available metrics it is clear that Donald Trump is on the path to returning to the White House.
You could make points without calling the other person naive. No need to make the internet a worse place.
As far as “every available metric” goes, you’re talking polls, and polls are garbage. Every poll had Clinton winning in late October 2016.
And we’re in an unprecedented portion of politics in American history, so bringing up historical measurements doesn’t convince me like you think it would.
No need to make the internet a worse place.
More Reddit-y here by the day…
We will see who did the proper analysis in 4 months time. I’m really hoping it won’t be me. Unfortunately, I am also certain that I am correct.
You’re confusing the average American with the republikkklown voters. That’s not even close to average. The average voter knows he’s a racist rapist with 34 felonies that caused a failed insurrection. They won’t forget. They will vote and your wanna be dictator will do what he’s best at… LOSING.
I know you want to stick me in that bubble to make yourself feel better. I hated Donald Trump long before 2016. I knew about his ties to Jeffrey Epstein before that name was even in the public lexicon. I’ve been following the downfall of the Amerikan Empire since as long as I have been politically aware. This is just the latest dominoe to fall.
Haha that was my second thought (my first one was shock that something like that can happen - it means dangerous times are coming for democracy)
Why are people screaming and afraid? Guns are a part of society in America. Unless… they’re dangerous…
They just witnessed a 2A activist have his rights trampled by the secret service!
Literally the point of 2A. At least according to them.
If it were biden the supreme court would rule that assassination attempts are speech and protected by the 1A.
The secret service, authorized to use lethal force, no less.
The secret service didn’t let anyone but the shooter have a gun, so everyone’s feeling awkward
Guns are fine unless they’re aimed at me.
- Some Republican probably
Plus I thought they were all the shall not be infringed people
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No offense, but that’s all just circumstantial … If Trump wasn’t sure what was happening, that he was shot and bleeding, and just thought the secret service was being overly cautious to what he might have thought was an incident already under control in the crowd, he would have acted exactly as he did. A shooting victim not realizing they’ve been shot or being disoriented and confused is nothing new.
The secret service and the cops not doing anything about it would make it a widespread conspiracy of the sort the GQP think generally happens against them, when the truth of the matter is the bigger and the more people the conspiracy involves the likelier there will be leaks. Specially if they are making it public for “thousands of cultists to line up”.
There may be any number of reasons the cops and the secret service may not have done anything: they might have thought it was an undercover sniper that was part of the security and without being able to pinpoint them were unable to do anything more. Hell. the person spotted may have been an undercover sniper, and the person who did the shooting might have gone undetected and failed precisely
because they used a hidden pistol and not a rifle(sources are reporting he used an AR-16, but did so outside the security perimeter for the event and on a sloped roof where the weapon could have been kept out of view where he was wearing camo), which might have been what was reported.After the shots, their focus was on the crowd and trying to spot any potential threats, not on what Trump was doing. Just because they are willing to hide away evidence of them being jackasses does not make them willing to participate in a conspiracy to this degree.
Congratulations, you and the people upvoting your are the flip side of the coin the GQP is on. Right now you are heading to a bubble just as much outside of reality as the pizzagate peoples, just wait for the facts to come out.
Dude, i get the urge for copoium, but damn:
The Secret Service is part of the government. And Trump gave them a hell lotta headaches already. You think they would all conspire with him to stage this?
With every event like this you will find someone who has saw something beforehand.
Did you ever get hit by a car, had a bullet hit near you, or had other close call accidents? Anyone in such a situation will be jacked up on Adrenaline, or just straight away under shock. You do not act rationally under shock I once got hit by a car and just wanted to continue walking. It took two people to tell me to chill and they will call an ambulance.
And final thought. the Secret Service is trying to rush him off stage, you see that in the video. But they are not going to shove him to the ground or drag him bis his legs.
Trump is also too much of a coward to let a bullet graze him
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It was a blood capsule the ear is absolutely not showing any signs of being even just grazed by a bullet. Somethings veeery fishy - just asking questions of course, using my free speech.
How is this fishy? An assassination attempt on a much hated political figure
Yeah, I had also something like that happened to me where I was super concerned about going to school, eventhough I was injured.
False flag crossed my mind as well, but it would require an absolutely massive conspiracy between federal, local LE, and some very dumb hicks that simply could not happen unnoticed.
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https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/news/testimony/the-terrorist-threat-confronting-the-united-states
A conspiracy doesn’t mean imaginary crazy things.
You think it can’t happen here.
It did. It is. It’s way too late to prevent.
Fuck. Even Canada has been warning about American extremist threats. https://www.csis.org/analysis/rise-far-right-extremism-united-states
This was DECADES in the works.
In the open.
Hiring one dumb kid who thinks he may just be part of a show and killing him to ensure the secret is nothing for anyone familiar with how disctators operate.
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Barely not hitting from that distance would be wayyy too risky for a false flag attack.
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how were the secret service not on the roofs or monitoring the roofs from aerial POV? Most obvious spot for a sniper.
How do you know they weren’t and just missed it?
the dude interviewed by British journalist right after that says him and group saw man with gun climbing roof, told cops and secret service and neither did anything
Did you see the photo of the guy? A neck beard with a MAGA sun visor. If he comes to the police saying he saw a guy with a riffle on the roof, what will the likely conclusion be? that’s a secret service agent, that’s what it will be.
his first and only focus was his shoes?
Your point being?
a man who is a documented coward and narcissist pushed against secret service to face cameras and have his head exposed for a long period of time?
He’s also an idiot, so…
secret service ignores protocol to cover and remove him and let’s him vamp and pose
Same as with several of the previous points, incompetence more than accurately explains it.
straight lines of blood on his face, history with pro wrestling
Same as with shoes, what’s your point?
yes, the supposed gunman was killed, but on what day are there not thousands of trump cultists lined up and ready to die if someone tells them they are on a secret mission to help daddy?
The wannabe assassin was neutralized. It’s way easier to stop someone by shooting them than by means of persuasion. If you want to go down the conspiracy rabbit hole, then gunmen are always killed, dead men don’t answer questions.
yes, some in crowd may have been injured, but when has trump shown any hesitation to have pale injured or killed for his personal benefit (January 6th, church protests, etc).
Real people were actually killed here. Innocent bystanders. I think these people deserve that we be critical with our conspiracy theories. Trump would definitely not be above hurting his supporters if it would give him an advantage. He’s already hurting supporters financially.
his secret service were proven corrupt and involved in cover up measures for trump before (e.g. Deliberately erasing text messages relevant to January 6th)
Corrupt? Sure, but corrupt in what way? Some may just have been trying to cover their own asses.
this all happens as project 2025 narrative was taking form hold, leaked video/audio by the day and days before the RNC.
Part of me wants to follow you, part of me wants to say “Trump had some weirdo shoot at the audience while he cut his ear up. All to get rid of the project 2025 story”. I mean we’ve seen how Trump have diverted attention previously by doing crazy shit. But I’d caution linking the two things. The project 2025 can definitely be buried in the wake of this incident by the RNC, and the RNC most definitely will try to kill the story. But jumping from the RNC being opportunistic, to there being a conspiracy to make people forget 2025? That’s not just a small step, nor a giant leap, that’s a “flying a jetpack until it runs dry” kinda jump.
This is the dumbest shit and we need to fucking grow up a bit. These “questions” are asinine and not that hard to explain.
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Not denying the incident was reported, but there’s a heavy insinuation here that this was set up or manufactured. If so… They needed an entire Secret Service detail, local event police and everyone standing by to be in on it. A couple hundred people are going to be involved and no one leaks it?
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“Supposed” gunman. I like how you pivot from “this is probably set up” to “ok even if it was real Trump is capable of worse”
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Again, the insinuation of an inside job here. We’re going to involve a hundred or more people and no one thought it would be a problem to kill a bystander? Or the gunman was so good he killed a specific plant? And they had a 100% success rate… No one heard the plan and thought “oh this is a bad idea” and spoke out about it?
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Big difference between deleting text messages and MURDERING AN AMERICAN to further a political agenda.
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Yes. Things happen all the time. Trump people are saying this is to distract from Biden being inept. There’s always a convenient time.
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Yes you dumbshit he was concerned about his hat because they already had the all clear. The shooter got taken out in seconds. They wouldn’t have moved Trump. And they all were saying it was all clear. Also have you ever seen people in an absolute panic? Not the most rational state. Same thing with his shoes. That’s ALSO why he took the photo op. They all dove on top of him. They figured out the shooter’s location and took him down before Trump even got up.
There’s pictures of the fucking bullet in flight. So either that was ALSO manufactured (a member of the press willingly heard the plan ahead of time and doctored a photo or they actually shot a bullet inches away from Trumps head AND captured it). But no let’s just get Trump, a bumbly ass fuck to orchestrate this perfectly. I’m sure he had it a planned to go down, and everyone covered him and he pulled out a razor blade, cut his ear, and put it away, all perfectly executed and no one caught anything on camera from any of the dozens of angles.
This shit is so fucking stupid and I’m so sick of hearing about it. These points all rely on the most ass backwards way of thinking where dozens of people are in on this conspiracy and relies on all of them bring cool with killing someone to make it good for Trump.
Get this shit outta here. This doesn’t deserve the pixels on the screen used to illuminate this nonsense. Be a fucking grown up. We’re going to have to figure out a real way to beat Trump, not pretend this was some false flag bullshit. Accept reality. Be a goddamn adult.
I’m not even saying you’re wrong for questioning, but I am saying you are wrong because the sheer volume of things that would need to occur for this theory to be even remotely possible is so ridiculous, I would consider aliens an equally plausible situation.
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You clearly didn’t even read it. I addressed that point specifically.
I’m not immune to criticism or critique, but if you’re going to respond, it’s good to know what you are responding to, or you look a bit foolish when you asked a question directly answered in the text.
You don’t even have to engage with the post, but not reading and engaging is what’s led to the collapse of good political discourse.
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Wow you are so calm and level-headed. I would be tempted for twice at least for a good measure. What if they missed it?
I think the guy who saw the shooter only had seconds between him telling the police and the shots actually happening
No, go watch the interview, he said minutes.
This was the worst possible outcome. Unless someone intends on finishing the job it may as well be his election now.
He’ll spend the rest of the election telling people how strong he is, how Biden could not have survived and he’ll use the attack to validate all his claims of Democrat corruption/Republican righteousness.
Don’t forget about how through ‘the protection of God’ trump survived so the Christian vote can put him in office with a made up deity’s approval.
Maybe it’s God’s warning for him to cut the crap. That’s the spin I’m going for.
Unfortunately I think he pretty much had the election the moment the democrats showed weakness by publically doubting their own candidate. But yes, this seals the deal for a trump win this year. What a damn fool. This is something that if you are going to do, you need to make absolutely sure you finish the job apripriately. You fuck this up and you end up giving him a gift.
i agree, but also assassinating the president cannot be an easy task, and considering how far away they were, literally grazing his head is a very very good attempt. trump got absurdly lucky here
You are missing that there is nothing good about this. His protections will double, his base will rally, he will justify further insane actions as he takes over the US. This is like swatting at a hornet and missing and saying it was a pretty great swat though as it stings you repeatedly in the face. Trump gets absurdly lucky with everything. He is meritless but propped up my multitudes of special interests and hordes of uneducated fools.
Well, yeah this really really isn’t good. This outcome is the worst of anything that couldve happened, but it also was absurdly, stupidly, close, if the wind had gusted differently, or if trump moved his head differently while speaking, we would be having a very different conversation.
If you make a great, almost certainly deadly, swat at a hornet, but it miraculously escapes and stings you in the face, acknowledging that it was a good try at least is fair.
Doubt it. The people, the actual Democratic voters, not numbers, know what’s at stake, nobody is changing their vote over this, nobody is going to lose votes over this.
I feel like you’re a little out of touch here.
There are hardline Democrats and Republicans who aren’t going to change their positions over anything. There’s also many people who don’t pay close attention to politics and only pick up on big news like this. Those are the people that are going to be influenced unfortunately. These people exist. They are uninformed, easily influenced and they can swing the outcome unfortunately.
They’re also the big group that the whole political campaigns are targeted to.
Do you actually know those people IRL? People on the fence? I haven’t talked to anyone who hasn’t already had their vote decided. The political climate has been the most divisive in my lifetime, to the point where the people I’ve spoken with IRL are either dug in with Trump or dug in against Trump. This scene doesn’t change Trumps degressive views or awful policies. It doesn’t change Trump from being a Felon or suspected pedophile.
If there are swing voters it’s likely a really small number. At the end of the day the Democrats are dug in on Not Trump, and they have the numbers. They showed up for the last election, and the divisive politics have kept it in their peripheral since. RvW was huge, 2025 has been getting traction. There ain’t many left that don’t have their political compass set.
So 3 shots fired (rest were more rapid, so looked like SS responding), 2 people died, only trump get out of it without any major issue. A grazed ear implies that he survived by mere centimeters.
Then when going to the car he is mouthing “fight, fight, fight”. I’m sorry, but this is a very odd reaction for somebody that nearly died today.
He was trying to get people rioting on J6 (but that while succeeded, fortunately got stopped), he tried people to riot when he had criminal trial (didn’t work at all), and now in the heat of the moment, he thought that was perfect time to try it again?
For sake of everyone I hope this will also be unsuccessful. I’m glad Democrats quickly condemned this (this is something we quite missed in 2017-2020 when similar events happened).
Then when going to the car he is mouthing “fight, fight, fight”. I’m sorry, but this is a very odd reaction for somebody that nearly died today.
Adrenaline/Shock. Do not expect rational acts from people under shock. Do not expect actions in or out of character for them. You can be a completely different person in such a situation.
Do not expect rational acts from people under shock.
Do not expect rational acts from Donald Trump at all.
That mouth movement could have been “fuck, fuck, fuck”. Something you are very likely to say after being shot and it stings like hell.
His fist gesture would coincide more with “fight”.
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I think his reaction, and the photo op, are the product of a media team who have done some planning and strategising.
Like you’d have to expect that sooner or later there would be some kind of violence at a trump rally.
Trump would’ve been in shock but one of his minders would’ve told him what to do.
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I agree that he’s probably happy with this incident (given that he only recieved a minor wound, that will probably be very visible whenever he’s infront of a camera. But his reaction of calling “fight” is prefectly in line with him being a very defiant person, who’s also very politically savvy. It was a perfect response, if you want people to think all political opponents are the enemy.
And Trump also don’t lack for “courage”, if you can call an egomaniacs conviction that everything will always go his way that. I don’t see anything strange with it, given his character.
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Maybe it was an official act of Biden, then it’s not a crime. Nothing to see here, just as wanted by SCOTUS.
Thoughts and prayers
I, too, will be doing nothing
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You’re “own” isn’t an own at all. Prayers are important. Especially for the now deceased shooter, his family and the victims (including Trump). Lots of callousness in this thread.
Since when have prayers changed things? Oh, right, never.
Fuck, things are likely going to start really escalating now.
His base is going to go into overdrive, for sure.
Ever noticed that every time the republicans look like they are doomed, immediately something progressively more implausible happens that swings the vote? And that it’s usually fake or blown out of proportion by media? This looks like just the most recent of a long list of ridiculous but effective marketing operations like the pizza gate.
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Yeah, Trump’s first presidency showed that he was a moron. He’s not the dangerous part. The dangerous part are the millions that worship him. Assassination, or worse, attempted assassination, is a surefire way to make sure that ideology never dies.
Shooter has been identified as Thomas Matthew Crooks. Some sources say he was affiliated with some anti-fascist group, and other places are saying he was a registered Republican.
May have been both. Just like with Biden, there may be people feeling that their party should win, but not with such a candidate.
So likely just a registered Republican. Antifa gets thrown onto literally every one of these types of people until proved otherwise. Remember the antifa utility attacks that turned out to be white supremacists?
Sad these days that you know both of those can’t be true.
He has nothing to do with Antifa.
He is a registered Republican (middle initial, and date of birth included).
Others claim he donated to a progressive run, Voter Turnout campaign push, but that donations on has a firat and last name listed so may not be this particular Thomas Crooks.
Other than that and his choice of weapon, there’s not much to go on.
Please let the shooter be a white dude. If he is any minority group they’re gonna be the first to get the supreme Court treatment when he takes power, which seems inevitable now.
Rhe article has been updated, it appears he was a registered Republican.
Doesn’t matter if your first second or 5th.
You’re going to get the camp treatment anyways.
We don’t learn from history.
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
—Martin Niemöller
It appears to have been a white dude. He was also wearing a T-shirt from some YouTube channel about guns apparently. That’s all I’ve heard so far.
Edit: someone on Twitter has pictures of the suspected shooter
The YouTube channel is not political for what it’s worth (imho, I’ve watched an occasional video from time to time the last 6+ years or so). Started as a veterinarian who shot weird shit out of a shotgun, and now makes videos doing weird stuff with guns at his range or shoots weird/unique guns.
Can you post the pictures here so we don’t have to go to that cesspool?
I probably should have, looks like Elon “Free Speech” Musk must’ve purged the post from the site as I can’t get it to load this morning. Apologies for the omission.
Oh geez, if that’s him, he got that Habsburg jaw hella.
I hate that we even have to hope this. Everything is so fucked
Will they want to ban guns now?
For the people saying that the shoes comment is odd, take moment to do some reading, or watch a video, about how people react to trauma.
Basically, it’s not outrageous that his brain locked on a seemingly unimportant detail. Humans are very weird sometimes.
