I’ve seen several references to some sort of rift between the users of these instances today. What’s happening?
ML is run by heavily-indoctrinated communists. They’re the type that straight up worship communist leaders.
lemmy.world is kind of run by pussies. They blocked the piracy sublemmy for no real reason other than that.
It doesn’t surprise me they are butting heads. Hopefully the instances that allow interaction with both instances triumph over those that try to restrict access.
They’re the type that straight up worship communist leaders.
I wouldn’t phrase it at that. They’re fans of Russia, China, Iran, and pretty much any other country that’s antagonistic to the US. This regardless of whether said state is communist, especially Russia, which has become fascist under Putin’s rule.
In short, the .ml owners are tankies
Visit ML before any major Western election and browse by Local (its default) and you will easily see: ML calls for the literal and actual fall of all Western civilization including the deaths of most to nearly all peoples therein.
Whereas LW does not want that, go figure. 🤷♀️
Something something bOtH sIdEs SaMe.
.ml users are also just immature weirdos. most of my harassing comments calling me insults come from .ml users.
they don’t discuss and they don’t read. they just shout and quote russian/chinese state propaganda about how people living in those countries are so wealthy and liberated and so much better than americans or europeans. and if you do cite sources, they tell you that those are american propaganda and all lies and ONLY THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT IS TELLING THE TRUTH.
oh, and the .ml opening talk about the power of violence and their violent fantasies of killing everyone who has a modicum of economic security and all claim to be the poorest of the poor, which I highly doubt.
I was a communist when I was 15, but even back then I was into the utopia part, not the mass murder fantasy part.
Now that you’re a grown up who can speak for yourself, what is the Hannibal Directive?
Actual communists here are on Threadiverse seem quite emotionally capable and are among the more pleasant to chat with. Examples there include slrpnk.net. I used to also say db0 though there always seems pushback nowadays whenever I include it, but I can’t get anyone to give me a solid answer as to why besides unsubstantiated accusations that even on their face looks like pure BS to me. So I guess I’ll keep saying it, just noting that it is a controversial point.:-)
Hexbears on the other hand are trolls, pure and simple, with zero regard for anything other than “the dunk” process of pwning someone - or rather, appearing to, from their own extremely childish POV.
Lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml then are the leftist MAGAs, believing in alternative facts rather than living in reality. e.g. most claim that they would move to the likes of North Korea in a heartbeat, except, you know… I guess they took an arrow to the knee or some such. 🤪
I am so glad that I can block people from an entire instance. If I could, I would make an exception to the devs Nutomic and Dessalines out of respect for having offered the Lemmy sourcecode as FOSS, but other than that, I have not missed a single interaction with anyone on Lemmy.ml since I have done so, every time I’ve checked to see what I might be missing. They are the most batshit insane comments across the entirety of the Threadiverse, after Hexbear obviously.
“the only communists who are actual communists are the ones who cater to my sensibilities as a liberal”
The only person spewing alternative facts is you, you can’t seem to regurgitate a post without making up bullshit.
ML calls for the literal and actual fall of all Western civilization
for the record when people say ‘Death to America’ it’s wishing an end to the American government and its settler-colonial state apparatus.
Concern about the ‘fall of Western civilization’ is more often than not a dog whistle signalling reactionary politics.
also this isn’t limited to election seasons, death to america
Death to America
I dunno man, all other things aside (I have no opinion on specific Lemmy instances at all), when you’re quoting Osama Bin Laden as part of your own beliefs or opinion, that’s probably not cool beans, you know?
I use she/her in case it doesn’t show up in your app.
This isn’t quoting osama bin laden, it’s an Iranian slogan/expression.
America as a settler-colonial state is a world-historic evil, death to America
Visit .world before any major Western election and browse by Local (its default) and you will easily see: .world will sell out as many Palestinians as it takes to buy political time in hopes of a blue wave that is definitely going fix everything and bring America™ back to its wholesome big chungus status.
Whereas ML does not want to carry out genocide to buy time for pointless political waffling, go figure.
I really do love the tagging feature for the boost app, all I see is green tankie tabs everywhere when you guys show up.
Oh hey, I remember you. You’re the one who was equating anti-capitalism with being tankie.
https://lemmy.world/comment/21783242
Not beating the toothless lib allegations…
Lol yea I’m the toothless one…the guy who’s probably been tagged by a lot of people here for being staunchly pro2a and advocating for my LGBTQ+ people to get trained and armed…yea
for being staunchly pro2a
Off topic, but there’s a LiberalGunOwners community if you weren’t aware. Not as active as it could, but still
Yea I’m subscribed to it.
Did you vote for Kamala or did you allow Trump to take power?
Will you be voting for Ted Cruz, or will you allow Mecha Hitler to take power?
Your political narcissism is incurable. Enjoy fucking people over for your feels.
ML is run by people who are not only communist, but also communists can do no wrong, capitalists can do no right. Just being communist most of us could live with, but the second is a problem. When someone cannot agree things like genocides that various communist governments are a bad it is really hard to have productive conversations.
communistsTankies.yes. the openly call for murder, theft, and various form of violence against their ‘enemies’.
and if you suggest maybe that’s not such a great idea, they basically tell you that you should die too.
But on the other hand, perhaps I should smile more, even as I am being murdered? (Dials gaslighting up to 11) Yes, it is surely I who am in the wrong here, rather than them.
(/s in case it is not abundantly clear)
Dials gaslighting up to 11
literally every post you make does this
I just want to add to the discussion that I think it’s perfectly healthy if two instances don’t like each other and/or have different outlooks - it’s the beauty of the fediverse and having decentralisation that they don’t have to agree on everything.
It’s very entertaining too
Nero thought so as well.
I’m not a fan, though.
The stereotype is that Lemmy.ml wants to play with Stalin’s balls. Lemmy.world wants to play with, I don’t know, Obama’s balls? With Bernie, Bill Clinton, and Reagan watching from the corner?
Something like that, anyway.
World is after ML for being Stalinists and ML is after World for not being Stalinists hah
Wouldn’t it be Leninists? Like the ‘l’ in ‘ml’?
Moral purity beatings will continue until morale improves.
Liberals and communists hate each other, that’s pretty much it
ML users aren’t really communists though - they are leftist MAGAs who believe in alternative facts, only paying lip service to communist principles but not in a genuine manner. i.e. tankies.
OpenStars spewing bullshit once more, shocker
It’s the authoritarian part LW disagrees with. I think the .world admins would have long defederated ML, but since the lemmy coders are situated on .ML, thats not such an attractive option. Desalines and Nutomic are hardcore tankies and bigots, which crush any dissenting voice on .ml. Even worse, if you want to support lemmy development, the finances of .ml and development budget are intertwined, so every donation for lemmy also supports tankies. It’s the reason i switched to piefed,
If you want examples of how those two run their digital kingdom, take a look at [email protected] - most posts are about .ml.
The “tankies” have the same platform as pretty much every real life communist organisation, lemmy.worlders have the same platform as your generic European social democratic party.
I’d have more respect for people just admitting that they’re anti-communist rather than trying to redefine and obfuscate the meaning of the word.
I get more of an impression that people in general do not understand what they believe. There’s a lot of that in the post information era we live; its also an easy excuse to look down my nose at people of course lol.
I think this is pretty insightful. There also is no definitely right answer. Some people may view China as communistic and others may view them as a dictatorship.
Considering they made more billionaires than the US this last year I think the communism thing is a bit of a stretch. At this point they are looking pretty fascist to me. Obviously ML isn’t going to agree to that
Long-standing political differences and an extremely censorious moderation philosophy on Lemmy.ml means there is always tension. I’m not aware of any specific thing that has happened recently though.
there was a big post yesterday about ‘rent is theft’ that had 100s of comments, that was mostly .world vs .ml users.
the .ml users basically harassed and threatened the .world users who were talking about reasonable reforms on housing prices and the causes for housing price inflation. .ml users think if you talk about facts and reality you are part of the problem and that reality should be re-made such that private property no longer exists and every single person should leave in the same concrete housing blocks like they had in the USSR, or they should be shot.
I mean, if they all want to move to Russia or North Korea or China, go right ahead, I am not stopping anyone from chasing their bliss. Perhaps I should note that they will end up as fodder for a warlord’s lust for conquest, but at the end of the day that is not my call to make as to what to do with your lives.
But damnit I would like to have some tint amount of control about what to do with my own! Including the ability to block them, if I happen to want that. I almost left Lemmy over precisely this issue, preferring instead to simply read books offline than to have to wade through endless immature eternity of September crap. Fortunately, that’s exactly when PieFed started coming up, offering an alternative besides Mbin, and which now offers a heck of a lot more features than either of them.
“you don’t like it, leave”
you sound like pretty much every conservative I’ve interacted with.
I’m very glad I do not know what ML is, it sounds annoying.
I block ml users on sight so I didn’t even notice
block me if you haven’t, you seem painful to interact with
I dunno man. I just signed up as reddit imploded. I wasn’t thinking political ideology. I just needed a refuge. I’m happy, and grateful for my adopted home.
Tbh I blocked all ml posts from my all feed and started blocking ml users on sight for my own mental health
I get in almost zero arguments online now and actually enjoy using this platform
Sorry about the block. It’s not you, it’s your instance.
I signed up for the developer’s instance because fuck reddit, and I do dev work.
Server choice had nothing to do with any political shit. I barely knew what federation was at the time. Lemmy immediately proved there are as many bandwagoning idiots as reddit here.
I have nothing to say about world though, I don’t use the platform that much.
I originally did this and ended up having to remake my account on .world. I just couldn’t stand the negativity and constant fighting on .ml. I was able to find a non-ml alternative to every community I was subscribed to. YMMV but it was completely worth it for me
I’m not hopping instances, I will just leave. Social media is worth very little to me. Abandoning it would mean nothing to me.
The fediverse isn’t going to be one all-encompassing thing like reddit. As time goes on, there will be different “sections” of the fediverse to accommodate people with different interests.
Lemmy.world, being run by pussies, thinks that because they’re the largest instance right now that they get to dictate the direction the fediverse goes in. As more people wake up to their censorship, more instances will sprout up to resist it.
It’s great that nobody is beholden to the decisions of either instance’s admins. That’s the beauty of the fediverse.
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.ml users engage in a lot of violent fantasizing of mass murder and state sponsored violence until that everyone believes what they believe. basically everyone who isn’t a communist or anarchist, should die. and once everyone who isn’t a communist/anarchist is dead, the world will be a perfect utopia with no suffering. that’s their view.
.world users aren’t screaming about murdering people.
This post is a good example of said slander/infighting, as MLs are inherently not dogmatic, and having consistent values is painted as being homogenous.
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What’s with all the new users in the past week or two?
Probably Russian trolls
Not kidding, they’re everywhere. Those posts taunting Americans for not resisting? Russians. Those posts encouraging violence? Russians. Those posts urging you to give up, it’s already over? Russians. Those posts saying America will never do anything to punish MAGA? Russians.
We saw it all over Reddit, before the 2024 election. I got real good at spotting them ( new account, nothing but negative posts, no care about downvoted, illogical arguments, just to argue and waste time, etc) and used to call them out by addressing their supervisors, knowing they were monitoring responses, saying I already pegged this new account as an obvious Russian Propaganda Farmer, and he’s doing such a terrible job that he should be sent to the beet canning factory instead. It was often that person’s last post, under that handle, at least.
It’s literally called Lemmy.MarxistLeninist get your head out of Stalin’s arsehole.
Omg you guys believe that?? The .ml is from Mali 😂 it’s because Mali domains were free for the longest time.
What does that have to do with being dogmatic?
lol, dunning meets kruger.
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I like both instances.
Found the guy who’s political ideology can only be described by a fringe Indian faction of the TNO mod for Hearts of Iron 4.
Capitalists use fascism to defend democracy from communism.
What communism? I hope your not referring to China. More billionaires made in China than the US this year is pretty much incompatible with a belief they practice communism.
The entire Chinese revolution shows us it was a violent revolution not a peaceful evolution. This is why most people, after seeing leadership never really change, would recognize it as a dictatorship.
Being a capitalist dictatorship puts China squarely on the fascist board.
And tankies love fascism as long as it’s used against capitalism
Can you name a fascist movement of the past that wasn’t killed off by commies/tankies? Where exactly do you think that 80mil number comes from?
They do.
Communists don’t have to lie or censor others to get their point across.
Just tell the truth and more people would be sympathetic to their cause.
I don’t even mind communists, it’s tankies I hate
They’re obsessed with each other. I wish they’d finally just bang, so all the hate-flirting wouldn’t show up in my New feed so much.
World is mostly usanian, it’s being used to drive people away from the class war ml advocates. Can’t get the billionaires if you’re fighting with each other. In that regard world is the billionaire’s tool, because it pushes people towards culture and identity wars instead of class war. ml being mostly European, has a different overton window, which clashes with World because anything that sounds like socialized healthcare for all, or the invasion of Iraq was wrong, is branded as tankie rethoric.
LW is also European, look it up (despite that, it does attempt to cater towards the desires of former Redditors though, that much is true).
Gut zu wissen
I don’t take anybody who uses the word “USian” seriously.
YDY
Find me a single user on lemmy.world upvoted for defending the invasion of Iraq or calling for the end of/opposing socialised healthcare
