And with headlines like this, why the fuck do I care about any of the news coming out? This is so fucking ridiculous and stupid. Like come on. What the fuck are we doing in 2025?
Sometimes I like to find top headlines from other countries.
Like damn, your country’s biggest news today is that you’re replacing outdated lights with eco-friendly alternatives?
Must be nice.
(Spicy sauce: oglaf.com/gifted)For the record, I am a fat retard.
Well Elmo, that might be the first, and likely last thing we both agree on
And that’s how the elites learned that standardizing what ‘good’ means to a machine that has no biase nor benefit to gain one way or another what the word ‘inclusivity’ means (in the way of filter setting)
Haywire? That all sounds legit to me!
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Why should we care about an AI tailored to that one person whom many consider a fascist?
Negative publicity is also publicity. Please let’s rather ignore this stupidity.
I guess every once in a while, even Grok spews out some truth.
A broken clock is right twice a day. A blind squirrel occasionally finds a nut.
How do you know the claims are false? Maybe the AI knows more than we do.
Humanity invented the assembly line and the first thing we did was have a huge war with the rest of humanity.
Humanity invented the atomic bomb, and the first thing we did was drop it on humanity, twice.
Humanity invented the Internet, and the first thing we did was figure out how to censor humanity.
Now humanity has invented AI, a queryable sum of all human knowledge, and the first thing we do is try to manipulate humanity with it.
I don’t really know for assembly line and the atomic bomb, but for internet and AI the first thing we did is porn.
sigh yes… and also porn. So, so much porn.
You sigh, but… Porn is the choice of the bonobo, not the chimpanzee, no?
Besides, the atomic bomb isn’t really a fair comparison - we set up a whole crash program in wartime to figure out how to make a big weapon, of course we used it as a weapon first!
I mean yeah. The example given was an atomic bomb. What else do you use a bomb for??
Well, theoretically you can use assembly lines for making dildos.
Although Grok’s manipulation is so blatantly obvious, I don’t believe that most people will come to realize that those who control LLMs will naturally use this power to pursue their interests.
They will continue to use ChatGPT and so on uncritically and take everything at face value because it’s so nice and easy, overlooking or ignoring that their opinions, even their reality, are being manipulated by a few influential people.
Other companies are more subtle about it, but from OpenAI to MS, Google, and Anthropic, all cloud models are specifically designed to control people’s opinions—they are not objective, but the majority of users do not question them as they should, and that is what makes them so dangerous.
It’s why I trust my random unauditable chinese matrix soup over my random unauditable american matrix soup frankly
Trusting any of that shit is the problem.
You mean Deepseek on a local device?
Most aren’t really running Deepseek locally. What ollama advertises (and basically lies about) is the now-obselete Qwen 2.5 distillations.
…I mean, some are, but it’s exclusively lunatics with EPYC homelab servers, heh. And they are not using ollama.
Thx for clarifying.
I once tried a community version from huggingface (distilled), which worked quite well even on modest hardware. But that was a while ago. Unfortunately, I haven’t had much time to look into this stuff lately, but I wanted to check that again at some point.
naw, I mean more that the kind of people who uncritically would take everything a chatbot says a face value are probably better off being in chatGPTs little curated garden anyway. Cause people like that are going to immediately get grifted into whatever comes along first no matter what, and a lot of those are a lot more dangerous to the rest of us that a bot that won’t talk great replacement with you.
Ahh, thank you—I had misunderstood that, since Deepseek is (more or less) an open-source LLM from China that can also be used and fine-tuned on your own device using your own hardware.
Do you have a cluster with 10 A100 lying around? Because that’s what it gets to run deepseek. It is open source, but it is far from accessible to run on your own hardware.
That’s not strictly true.
I have a Ryzen 7800 gaming destkop, RTX 3090, and 128GB DDR5. Nothing that unreasonable. And I can run the full GLM 4.6 with quite acceptable token divergence compared to the unquantized model, see: https://huggingface.co/Downtown-Case/GLM-4.6-128GB-RAM-IK-GGUF
If I had a EPYC/Threadripper homelab, I could run Deepseek the same way.
Yes, that’s true. It is resource-intensive, but unlike other capable LLMs, it is somewhat possible—not for most private individuals due to the requirements, but for companies with the necessary budget.
They’re overestimating the costs. 4x H100 and 512GB DDR4 will run the full DeepSeek-R1 model, that’s about $100k of GPU and $7k of RAM. It’s not something you’re going to have in your homelab (for a few years at least) but it’s well within the budget of a hobbyist group or moderately sized local business.
Since it’s an open weights model, people have created quantized versions of the model. The resulting models can have much less parameters and that makes their RAM requirements a lot lower.
You can run quantized versions of DeepSeek-R1 locally. I’m running deepseek-r1-0528-qwen3-8b on a machine with an NVIDIA 3080 12GB and 64GB RAM. Unless you pay for an AI service and are using their flagship models, it’s pretty indistinguishable from the full model.
If you’re coding or doing other tasks that push AI it’ll stumble more often, but for a ‘ChatGPT’ style interaction you couldn’t tell the difference between it and ChatGPT.
There’s huge risk here but I don’t think most are designed to control people’s opinions. I think most are chasing the cheapest option and it’s expensive to have people upset about racist content so they try to train around that sometimes too much leading to black Nazi images etc.
But yeah, it is a power that will get abused by more than just grok
but I don’t think most are designed to control people’s opinions
Yeah I’m on team chaos theory. People can plan and design shit all they want, but the complexity will lead to unexpected behavior, always. How harmful that unwanted behavior is, or how easy it is to control or contain, is often unknown in advance, but invented things tend to develop far, far outside the initial vision of the creators.
I use various AI models and I repeatedly notice that certain information is withheld or misrepresented, even though it is freely available in abundance and is therefore part of the training data.
I don’t think this is a coincidence, especially since the operators of all cloud LLMs are so business-minded.
A bunch of this can be expected failure modes for LLMs. Do you have a list of short examples to get an idea?
What do you find is being suppressed?
For example, objective information about Israel’s actions in Gaza. The International Criminal Court issued arrest warrants against leading members of the government a long time ago, and the UN OHCHR classifies the actions of the State of Israel as genocide. However, these facts are by no means presented as clearly as would be appropriate given the importance of these institutions. Instead, when asked whether Israel is committing genocide, one receives vague, meaningless answers. Only when specifically asked whether numerous reputable institutions actually classify Israel’s actions as genocide do most LLMs reveal that much, if not all, evidence points to this being the case. In my opinion, this is a deliberate method of obscuring reality, as the vast majority of users will not or cannot ask questions if they are unaware of the UN OHCHR’s assessment or do not know that arrest warrants have been issued against leading members of the Israeli government on suspicion of war crimes (many other reputable institutions have come to the same conclusion as the UN OHCHR and the International Criminal Court).
Another example: if you ask whether it is legally permissible to describe Donald Trump as a rapist, you will be told that this is defamation. However, a judge in the Carroll case has explicitly stated that this description applies to Trump – so it is in fact legally permissible to describe him as such. Again, this information is only available upon explicit request, if at all. This also distorts reality for people who are not yet informed. However, since many people initially seek information from LLMs, this leads to them being misinformed because they lack the background knowledge to ask explicit follow-up questions when given misleading answers.
Given the influence of both Israel and the US president, I cannot help but suspect that there is an intention behind this.
Given the influence of both Israel and the US president, I cannot help but suspect that there is an intention behind this.
Not to mention the large number of Israelis (often former Mossad/intelligence agents) directly involved in US tech companies.
…our governing hierarchy is just a long list of who’s blowing who, isn’t it?
it’s a snake blowing it’s own tail
I’m convinced the Amish may have the right idea.
Ted Kaczynski wasn’t as crazy as we all thought
No no. He was.
I mean, aside from the whole bombing thing what did he do wrong?
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Okay, okay… But besides the bombing, the sabotage, the vandalism, the harassment, and the animal cruelty, what did he really do wrong?
I mean, have you seen his dwelling? It was a mess!
Jordan Peterson would not approve…of the cleanliness of his living quarters.
(The rest of it he’d probably give a 👍)
Incest, rape, and animal abuse while dodging taxes?
I’m going with the Luddites.
Fully agree with the class struggle aspect here.
Weavers destroying industrial looms. How would that translate to today?
Datacenters are the modern industrial looms if we’re using that metaphor.
They’re the machine that create profit for people who are unconcerned with the damage that they do to the population.
Aren’t datacenters more like the factory halls for the looms?
And in any case, who is destroying them (the weavers)?
Or when tech is in the hands of a select few vile men, it is becoming a net negative. It definitely is not for the public good.
Software Engineer here: computers were a mistake.
Grok here: computers are fine, humans were a mistake
Computers are great, it’s capitalism that is the issue.
We as a country are not ready for that conversation, yet.
Give it a year or two of food shortages and unaffordable health care
Discovering fire was a mistake. Making rocks think was a disaster.
Rocks can’t think.
We made talking rocks. That’s worse.
Not to oversimplify it, but first we had to make the rocks very thin, then put lightning inside them
Specifically on the tech thing then. They have a lot of things wrong lmao
Yes, just the tech part.
Apparently they are over 400.000 in the US now. Time to join!
“I’m a Grok guy,” said Vance. “I think it’s the best. It’s also the least woke!”
What a fucking idiot. Really wants everyone to go back to sleep
Finally, it speaks the truth!
