When politicians talk about how trans people are subhuman or deranged or biblically evil, it contributes to trans people being stigmatized and depressed. As a result of this culture of cruelty, many trans people end up committing suicide.

Where are the corporations firing these people? Just because trans teens sometimes commit suicide quietly behind closed doors does not make the violence somehow less terrible.

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    I think, in the literal sense you are correct, it is a legal form of violence. But what are you proposing? Saying you hate trans people, you don’t respect them (I’ve never heard conservatives actually call them “subhuman” but it probably does happen) etc. is reprehensible but it’s not illegal, and preventing people from saying mean things to one another is a pretty extreme form of censorship. If I make fun of someone and they later commit suicide should I be charged with a crime?

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      Lemmy mods have always been just as quick to ban and remove as reddit mods, if not faster. Although I feel like it varies more widely because of all the different instances.

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    Yes, this is their intention. You know that right? They want to unalive them without going to jail. So the plan is to get them to do it to themselves.

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      Murder. Kill. Execute. Compel or coerce to take one’s own life. Use the actual words and terms for it, and not the weird censorship circumvention language.

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    A hate crime that apparently carries 0 consequences across the globe. We live in a fucked up world

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      They always ask for rules for you but not for them.

      Fascists and their enablers often ask in bad faith. They hyperfocus on vulnerable minorities, to distract from their own group being ontologically evil.

      If I had the money I would hire all those who got fired.

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      Pretty sure its just hate and the vast majority of them don’t even know what medical science can do for a trans person. The vast majority of people who transition do not regret it which leads me to believe the treatment is more than some depressing impossible goal.

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        Gender reassignment surgery is still classified as “cosmetic surgery” in the US

        And it has the lowest rate of regret of any cosmetic surgeries.

        So it’s more likely a patient would regret a face lift or lip filler over chopping their dick or tits off.

        It really puts it into perspective how popular and reliable these procedures are for affirming people’s gender

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      And there’s a third way of looking at it, where people who shouldn’t have an opinion about it at all are suddenly full of right-wing talking points that don’t align with science and reality.

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      How is wanting to exist and living their life impossible to achieve?

      Unless you mean it is impossible because of those narrow minded folks who still think that they want to change to something they aren’t already.

      All they want is their right to exist without being told of being not valid.

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    You seem to put the onus of trans killing themselves on everyone around them and not the inner turmoil of their own minds.

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      Man, you would not handle being a minority.

      You know how every day the society you live in DOESN’T tell you it hates you and that it wants you to die?

      I get it we usually don’t notice things that don’t happen to us, but cmon -_-

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      If you had to experience excruciating levels of gender dysphoria, hate and animosity – often coming from your own family –, maybe you would think differently…

      It’s not just verbal either, there is a real chance of non-passing trans people getting followed or even beaten up, especially in the evenings/nights. And yes, in the “civilised” west.

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      I got my dream job offer rescinded two weeks ago BECAUSE I AM TRANS.

      I have experienced sexual violence BECAUSE I AM TRANS.

      I am terrified of being pulled over by a cop and institutionalized or incarcerated because the government says that my license is wrong now.

      The problem is not my mental state. The problem is the discrimination.

      If I killed myself, it would to be to avoid becoming homeless - because, like many trans people, there are substantial barriers to employment. It doesn’t matter if the Supreme Court said it’s illegal to fire people for being trans, it fucking happens.

      My mental health would be peachy fucking keen if I were not part of the marginalized minority group that the government is so slavering to make a target that they tried to pretend the Kirk shooter carved trans propaganda into his bullets! They want to kill us or institutionalize us - how the fuck would your mental health be if you were walking around with a target on your back?

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      Lower self-reported transphobia was associated with a 66 % reduction in ideation, and an additional 76 % reduction in attempts among those with ideation

      https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/track/pdf/10.1186/s12889-015-1867-2.pdf

      An increase by one context in which a chosen name could be used predicted a 5.37-unit decrease in depressive symptoms, a 29% decrease in suicidal ideation, and a 56% decrease in suicidal behavior.

      https://www.jahonline.org/article/S1054-139X(18)30085-5/fulltext#intraref0010a

      Socially transitioned transgender children who are supported in their gender identity have developmentally normative levels of depression and only minimal elevations in anxiety, suggesting that psychopathology is not inevitable within this group.

      https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26921285/

      So yes. Increased depression and suicide among trans people is, according to the research, entirely correlated with social factors like how much they are accepted by friends/family and chosen name use.

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        Response study, n=389

        Response study, n=128

        Response study, n=72

        “According to the research” lol

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          Experiencing certain forms of violence and harassment and having low-moderate social support from any source was associated with higher prevalence of suicidal ideation. Social support from family moderated the association between experiencing certain forms of violence and harassment and suicidal ideation (p interaction = 0.01); however, even in the presence of high family social support, experiencing certain forms of violence and harassment was associated with higher prevalence of suicidal ideation.

          https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/73/su/su7301a7.htm

          n = 1608 on this one.

          Every study I’ve ever seen that looks at the link between social support and depression/suicidal thoughts in trans people shows a very clear link. Given the prevalence of transphobia in our society, this can entirely explain the increase in suicidal thoughts in trans people.

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          So what’s the sample size?

          Also can you explain why that sample size isn’t valid? Lots of important refrenced studies all over have double digit sample sizes and are acceptable because of the context of the study.