So now we can add “directly capturing a sovereign leader” to the list of crap the US has done. So what do you think will actually be “the straw that broke the camels back” for world leaders to actually do something? Think it’ll be significant or something mundane?

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    This isn’t the first time the US has done

    “directly capturing a sovereign leader”

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      No, this is different and completely unprecedented.

      We went into a foreign country, abducted their leader, and brought him back to America to be tried under our justice system for laws he was never subject to for crimes he almost had nothing to do with.

      I’d love to see a source for America abducting the leader of a country we’re not at war with, and bringing them to America for trial.

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          While the above poster is missing the particulars, this still is unprecedented - panama and the US were at war, and Noriega surrendered to US forces before being taken to the US. As far as I’m aware, brazen kidnapping like just happened with Maduro really is a new low for the US.

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          That was an invasion, not a kidnapping.

          The first hint is the situation was called “invasion of Panama”

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          Nah, Hawaii was an invasion, I believe the Queen was travelling to DC.

          She left Hawaii as a queen and when she got to Hawaii to negotiate a treaty, she was told Hawaii was already an American territory

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            The close enough for me. Going in to countries and fucking about then leaving them worse is kinda what we do unfortunately. Well I guess it’s what all countries who can do as well.

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              When you get the time it’s worth reading up on, super interesting and I’m surprised there hasn’t been a big movie about it despite America being the bad guys.

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          Approximately 24,000 troops descended upon Panama in December 1989, beginning a weekslong siege of the country that scattered the government and military officials.

          That’s an invasion, not a kidnapping…

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              What are you talking about?

              There’s no American troops there now.

              If you’re arguing there’s going to be a response or separate action in the future, yes…

              That’s how time works, there’s always something happen, obviously something will happen next

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      Importantly other countries aren’t that mad about it either. I saw some posts about Trump making comments that seemed to suggest that mexico and canada could be targeted in the future for intervention related to drugs, so I went to canadian news sites to see what was up. The canadian government is basically like, “I’m not angry, I’m disappointed” and mostly because it goes against the norms of polite imperialism.

      I won’t link to her twitter account, but here is the statement:

      Alt text:

      The Hon. Anita Anand Minister of Foreign Affairs

      Since 2019, when Canada closed its embassy in Venezuela, we have refused to recognize any legitimacy of the Maduro regime and opposed its repression of the Venezuelan people, including the persecution of dissenters and particularly political leaders opposed to the regime.

      In keeping with our long-standing commitment to upholding the rule of law and democracy, Canada calls on all parties to respect international law and we stand by the people of Venezuela and their desire to live in a peaceful and democratic society.

      Canada is engaging with its international partners and monitoring developments closely.

      Canada stands ready to assist Canadians in need through our consular officials and embassy in Bogotá, Colombia.