And I just get shame for no sex at all.
Fuck this timeline. I’m out y’all.
Sex - shame
No sex - shame
Sex with unwilling young teenagers - AT LEAST two different presidents of the united states that we know of.
so that’s a new way to be looking at things
Growing up I never heard anything about not fucking people against their will: heard a lot about keeping my legs closed and deserving negative consequences from sex
In fairness, nobody specifically told me not to kill other folk or set people’s houses on fire or sexually harass folk. What I did have drilled in to me was an idea of mutual respect; personal boundaries; how not to be a complete dickhead (some may say I’ve not learned much at all about that bit); and how to coexist with others to make everyone’s day that little bit easier, regardless of their gender identity.
I can only assume those basic life lessons are either not being driven home as strongly as they should be in modern life; or there’s outside influences drowning out those voices.
I’m sorry to hear that you had some arsehole giving you such poor life “advice” though. I hope it hasn’t defined or shaped your values of intimacy. It’s yet another erosion of (what I’m assuming) are women’s rights from an early age, and it’s bang out of order.
and somehow im the problem when i point this out
Waiting for you to get attacked by the manosphere for that sentence
unironically yes, you attack the status quo, that’s the problem. keep being the problem. fuck the status quo
Hyperbole, surely.
I guess, they might not be talking about individuals, but rather humanity as a whole. So, if a person rapes someone and this becomes publicly known, they will generally be shamed more than a woman having consensual sex (even though some rapists also get to be president, I guess).
But across the board, we have insults that every kid knows, which equate to “woman having (consensual) sex bad”, as well as gossip of the like, and even men being shamed for going out with a woman who has sex.
Compared to that, rape is a rarely talked about…What immediately came to my mind was the phrase, “A key that opens a lot of locks is a good key, a lock that is opened by a lot of keys is a shitty lock.” And generally, that’s something you’re a lot more likely to bump into than rape, which is a much more uncomfortable to talk about for a lot of people and so it’s almost never going to be brought up. Combine that with some rape cases that get swept under the rug with phrases like, “boys will be boys,” “she was asking for it,” or even something as outright cruel as “it’s the only way she’d get laid anyways,” and yeah, where OP is coming from isn’t too hard to understand.
checks notes
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Sorry to break it to you
They absolutely do not, unless you start playing with what, ‘consensual’ means. They may feel more shame than those men do, but the kinds of people who grape others generally don’t feel shame, in general, so even that comparison is poor. Additionally, shaming isn’t the primary tool society uses to respond to grape, assault, prison, ostracizing or murder is, so like, so what is there less shame? Shame is what gets used when physical force isn’t acceptable.
grape
Stop self-censoring for fuck’s sake
but the kinds of people who grape others generally don’t feel shame
I think this is probably not true.
the primary tool society uses to respond to grape, assault, prison, ostracizing or murder is, so like, so what is there less shame?
Those tools aren’t equally available to everyone, they are expressions of power, which some people have access to more than others.
Christ, I wish people would learn to use proper punctuation. I had to read that run-on garbage like three times before I figured out what OP was trying to express (that is not how commas work). I’m still not entirely sure what is meant from the “so what” part on.
I don’t think it would be that far of a stretch to have “consensual sex” include prostitution.
