This is not slop, this is political
misinformationdisinformation. Call it what it is.Slop is annoying, but it’s just AI generated spam. This is much more purposeful and insidious. The tools you used to make it are irrelevant.
Disinformation. Misinformation is when it’s unintentional.
Right, that’s more accurate.
As much as I hate to use this term because of the most prominent person associated with it:
This literally is an infowar, this is an actual psyop.
Targetted and fairly convincing mis and disinformation deployed at exactly the moment it would generate the most chaos and distrust in your own ability to evaluate reality?
Yeah. Yeah.
Thats a psyop, that is what an actual psyop is.
If they can take something like “woke” and use it to mean something bad, we can take infowars and use it for something good (and correct/accurate). Make that usage of the word the default when people hear it, not the other thing.
Misinformation is too nice of a word.
hence disinformation, which intentional form of misinformation designed to manipulate the views of the viewers/ or in other situations to give false info to illicit a certain response. misinformation is just ignorant false info being presented with no malice. alot of news media confuse between the 2, when in fact it almost always disinformation.
Yup. Seems quite ragebaity.
It’s both. Slop can be meaningless drivel or deliberate misinformation.
If they can’t differentiate between Ai Slop and reality, maybe we should start generating videos of ICE terrorizing Maga people.
They don’t care. They probably convince themselves its based on real antifa videos
I’m convinced AI content generation was created with the sole intent of manufacturing outrage material for gullible idiots.
because the rate at which these technophobic illiterates have adopted AI, and expertly use it to generate bullshit, is too high to be otherwise plausible.
Yeah, no doubt. My mother got radicalised by Facebook over the years. It went from cute dog and cat things to “harmless” conspiracy theories (think bigfoot), culminating in fucking her with QAnon propaganda indoctrination. Last I checked up on her, there’s machine generated rubbish all over her feed. She’s beyond saving at this point. Suppose she was always primed for this kind of thing, being pro-homeopathy anti-vaccine person.
She doesn’t question the machine generated content at all, and I saw that if someone points it out, which a scarce few have done, she just justifies it with “well it could be real, this kind of thing does happen.”
At this point I don’t think it matters if this technofascism was a knowing plan, or an unfortunate series of events that by themselves seemed justifiable to the people making the decisions, but it doesn’t really matter. We’re here now. They’re not only trying, but succeeding in coercing governments and undermining democracy.
real sad that she’d throw away all her family and love, for the expense of crazy online conspiracy theories and obsession.
Trump supporters making shit up and constantly lying?
next you’re gonna tell me the sky is blue
Well, sometimes, it’s white, red, or black.
The phrase “I voted for this” has become a common thing for far-right supporters of Trump to say when something particularly brutal has happened to their political opponents.
I’ll tell you what’s at the bottom of it, If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you. – Lyndon B. Johnson, attributed by Bill Moyers
That last part is still accurate He had it right.
I remember as a kid growing up in a extended family just emerging from the worst kind of american poor. My fathers generation was the first to have decent living conditions but still faced hunger as children. They all could remember when they got electricity and running water. The older generation of aunts and uncles would often say things like 'We may be poor but at least were not N******s". That hasn’t changed a lot in some circular family tree’s.
I’ve met racists who love this quote, they just think that “convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man” is equivalent to “convince a colored man he’s as good as a white man” here. They really do.
Also there are plenty of people who don’t consider themselves racist, yet think their (American, British, whatever) color hierarchy exists outside of English-speaking countries and people there have to take it into account.
The kind that “is not racist”, but if someone is racist, it’s only the way that they are on top. They can’t conceive that a Vietnamese or a Chinese racist may have a racial hierarchy where they are near chimps. When facing evidence of such being possible, they lose their mind and behave, honestly, quite racist.
5th generation warfare. It’s bots saying that (aka human slaves in large slave networks)
Republicans want to hate so badly, they’ll literally create fiction to manifest it and be the victims…
Always have. Most of them have never met the people they’ve been taught to hate. Or believe for some reason that the few they know are some sort of exception. The token “good ones”.
Right they hate these straw people. I mean, I;m not going to say my own cognitive projection of “conservative” is 100% accurate, but at least my nightmare scenarios are about actual bad things happening, and not like conservative nightmares of genetically inferior people getting to enjoy the gifts of civilization.
The difference between us and them is that we don’t want to do things to hurt them. Far from it. We honestly want to do things to help them. When we do hate them, it’s not for who they are, but who they choose to be. And that makes all the difference.
plus thats why they fall for scams very easily.
What’s wild about this is that people predicted AI would be used for nefarious purposes, but generally in the form of like, showing your opponents doing crimes. But here it’s being used to show their own side doing crimes while the other side is only made to look “cringy” or more like a stereotype.
It really speaks to the utter depravity of the US right that, given a machine that can generate any video of anything they could imagine, this is what they do. These people are utterly incompatible with any kind of free or even functional society, and I really don’t know what could ever be done fix them or their culture.
If they instead made convincing AI generated videos of some imaginary leftists going first and starting a revolution, then it might not have the intended effect.
I want off this ride.
‘No worries, we’ll stop at our earliest convenience. Till then, please remain calm and stop struggling so much, it’s off-putting for our other guests.’
And mind the gap
See it
Say it
Sorted
AI propaganda slop aside, fucking rise up already… FFS
can’t, watching football, eating Jack Link’s
Go away, baitin.
Muricans are all talk.
Pretty sure Trump will need to start the war.
This has to be what trump is seeing over on Truth Social that’s got him thinking cities are burning from protests, or at least that could be what his advisors are showing
How many AI videos of them eating the dogs are there?
Fuuuuck, gaslighting the gaslighter in chief. This is how humanity ends. All bc reality has become trapped within an endless circle of AI generated gaslighting and fuckery thanks to these idiots.
Expect much more of this and soon enough it will be impossible to distinguish between Real and fake videos
We can fix a little with digitally.sigbed videos to at least show that a video came from a verified source but that still won’t fix the issue with leaked videos. Basically, leaked videos and open mike videos / audio clips are over, we can’t ever trust them anymore
I think the article really makes the point that it doesn’t matter. The videos can LITERALLY have a watermark on them from the AI software, and people just dgaf. The battle is lost before it begins.
As with things like quotes and claims that could always be fake, it’s back to the old journalistic practices of verifying sources with a second source. But that means being ignorant of things that were not being investigated by journalists, which creates a different filter bubble.
it’s back to the old journalistic practices of verifying sources with a second source.
that has as a necessary pre-requirement that people are actually interested enough in an objective truth that they’re willing to pay some journalist to do the research.
is that really the case anymore? I can see it being useful in the 20th century when people were interested in new economic developments and stuff
Journalists don’t verify anything these days, because their bosses are focused on being the first to publish. Doesn’t matter if it’s right or wrong, the article only exists to get the advertising to load.
Pity the journalists all got fired.
“dOnT tRusT the MSM” but they expect you to trust the guy on your insta feed / telegram / truth social?!
With the way things spread on social media from user generated content it would be hard to get that done I’m sure. Like the video almost everyone saw of Charlie, the video was indeed real but the spread was so beyond control that ot broke almost every filter algorithm on social media. I can’t imagine how much “suppression” talk would be mentioned if we had digitally sign the source even though it would be totally valid. [Viral > Truth]
If right wing people were smart they wouldn’t be right wing. Of course they’re going to believe and share AI slop video. They’re emotional driven fools.
Don’t tell me that 🇺🇸Steve2A🇺🇸god🇺🇸penises🇺🇸 Is a bad person. I just can’t believe it.
If he’s even real.
The troll farms are disastrous to this country.
The foreign ones or the domestic ones?
Yes
Yes
You don’t even need to hire a “troll farm” now. You can just do it all with AI.
The smartest move I ever made was dropping all mainstream social media. I don’t get any of this BS. Meta, Twitter, and Reddit are a plague on society and I’ll have no part in it.
What would prevent Lemmy from becoming another Reddit if it gains the same user count? Not promoting specific users only because they have a lot of Karma?
What would prevent Lemmy from becoming another Reddit
You’d need to convince every one hosting a Lemmy instance (and all possible future ones) to sell their platform for money or blackmail them into submission…
With Reddit, they only needed to convince Spez which is like convincing an alcoholic to have a free shot of his fav poison
Nothing prevents it totally. It could 100% be just as bad as Facebook. But only those servers owned by those propaganda pushers. It is harder to take over the whole and push your agenda to all users, when they can simply block your instance and let you stew in your hate.
Best example for that: the tankies, which are mostly ignored or ridiculed outside their own safe spaces.
And while I do think there will always be nationalistic fuckwards, I think the big number now and in the past are only possible due to massive propaganda. If that is not possible, people steer more to “normal” stuff. Because most people are not majorally negatively affected by the status quo.
Because most people are not majorally negatively affected by the status quo.
tell me you live in a rich country without explicitly saying so
Yeah, after writing it I felt it was wrong. What I meant is: most people are not hurt by what is being pushed in the mass media as source of the problem. If that outside factor goes away, they will focus more on what is happening around them. That the status quo in our current world is hurting a lot of people is absolutely correct, sadly.
reddit and all commercial social media make more money when they have more users, so they attract a lot of users with ragebait and clickbait.
we don’t profit if we have more users, so we don’t have an incentive to send clickbait and ragebait, and the absence of these toxins alone will probably drive up the quality a bit.
Agreed on the greed aspect, I’m wondering how would we defend against bots and incindiary propaganda differently from eg Reddit. My guess is that Lemmy is susceptible to that just the same
If Lemmy, or any other fediverse social network, ever got that big, you would be guaranteed there would be plenty of splinters of de-federation in the network. There would be small networks totally isolated from the mainstream cluster, and others that only federate parts of it. You could choose to hang out in some counter-cultural bubble, or choose a curated connection to the biggest networks, if you didn’t want to engage in them fully. The trick would be finding “your people,” but the tech works.
Fair point. I was kinda confused when I first tried to join Lemmy and went for lemmy.world. Hopefully if shit hits the fan people will be less reluctant to switch over to other instances
It’s not moderated the same way as Reddit
It’s all about normalising boots on the ground in American towns and cities.
Well, if it spreads democracy overseas, stands to reason it will work even better locally.
