Well I am shocked, SHOCKED I say! Well, not that shocked.
Nvidia doesn’t really care about the high-end gamer demographic nearly as much as they used to, because it’s no longer their bread and butter. Nvidia’s cash cow at this point is supplying hardware for ML data centers. It’s an order of magnitude more lucrative than serving consumer + enthusiast market.
So my next card is probably gonna be an RX 9070XT.
even the RX9070 is running around $900 USD, I cannot fathom affording even state-of-the-art gaming from years ago at this point. I am still using a GTX1660 and playing games from years ago I never got around to and having a grand time. Most adults I know are in the same boat and either not even considering upgrading their PC or they’re playing their kid’s console games.
Every year we say “Gonna look into upgrading” but every year prices go up and wages stay the same (or disappear entirely as private-equity ravages the business world, digesting every company that isn’t also a private equity predator) and the prices of just living and eating are insane, so at this rate, a lot of us might start reading again.
It makes me wonder if this will bring more people back to consoles. The library may be more limiting, but when a console costs less than just a gpu, itll be more tempting.
Uhhh, I went from a Radeon 1090 (or whatever they’re called, it’s an older numbering scheme from ~2010) to a Nvidia 780 to an Nvidia 3070 TI. Skipping upgrades is normal. Console games effectively do that as well. It’s normal to not buy a GPU every year.
Ain’t nobody got time (money) for that!
As long as you make an upgrade that’s equivalent or better than the current console generation, you’re then basically good-to-go until the next generation of consoles comes.
I don’t really care if my current graphics are better or worse than the current console generation, it was just an illustration comparing PC gaming to console gaming.
I remember when High-end-GPUs were around 500 €.
I just looked up the price and I was “Yikes!”. You can get a PS5 Pro + optional Blu-ray drive, Steam Deck OLED, Nintendo Switch 2 and still have plenty of money left to spend on games.
Ah capitalism…
Endless infinite growth forever on a fragile and very much finite planet where wages are suppressed and most money is intentionally funneled into the coffers of a small handful of people who are already so wealthy that their descendants 5 generations down the line will still be some of the richest people on the planet.
IT litterally costs $3000
Thats almost 4 time the cost of my 3090.
Thats almost a year of work on my country lol…
1 2-week take home check for me. AMD is where I stay. $650 card lasting me 5 years on a 2k UWHD monitor at more than 180 FPS.
I’ll never understand NVIDIA owners.
For me it’s the GPU prices, stagnation of the technology (most performance gains come at the cost of stupid power draw) and importantly being fed up with AAA games. Most games I played recently were a couple years old, indie titles or a couple years old indie titles. And I don’t need a high powered graphics card for that. I’ve been playing far more on my steam deck than my desktop PC, despite the latter having significantly more powerful hardware. You can’t force fun through sheer hardware performance
I have a 4090. I don’t see any reason to pay $4K+ for fake frames and a few % better performance. Maybe post Trump next gen and/or if prices become reasonable and cables stop melting.
I don’t think the 5090 has been 4k in months in terms of average sale price. 4k was basically March. 3k is pretty common now as a listed scalp price, and completed sales on fleabay seem to be 2600-2800 commonly now.
The problem is that 2k was too much to begin with though. It should be cheaper, but they are selling ML cards at such a markup with true literal endless demand currently, there’s zero reason to put any focus at all on the gaming segment beyond a token offering that raises the margin for them, so business wise they are doing great I guess?
As a 9070xt and 6800xt owner, it feels like AMD is practically done with the gpu market. It just sucks for everyone that the gpu monopoly is here, presumably to stay. Feels like backroom deals creating a noncompetitive landscape must be prevalent, plus a total stranglehold with artificial monopoly of code compatibility from nvidia’s side make hardware irrelevant.
One issue is everyone is supply constrained by TSMC. Even Arc Battlemage is OOS at MSRP.
I bet Intel is kicking themselves for using TSMC. It kinda made sense when they decided years ago, but holy heck, they’d be swimming in market share if they used their own fabs instead (and kept the bigger die).
I feel like another is… marketing?
Like, many buyers just impulse buy, or go with what some shill recommended in a feed. Doesn’t matter how competitive anything is anymore.
Technically Intel is also releasing some cheapo GPUs in similar capability to nVidia but they all have the same manufacturers anyways.
There’s major issues with those GPUs in some commonplace use cases and they have major scalping issues. Sure in some use cases there’s zero issues, but this aint like the early 2000s when there were many brands that all basically worked.
Now you’re either nvidia with every feature, amd with most features (kinda like a store brand), or intel with major compatibility flaws with specific games because it’s technically a GPU.
I think patent laws and proprietary software supported by major OS have always had some impact, even the 90s, but yeah it’s definitely a poor state for the market to be this concentrated.
fake frames
And that’s my main problem with what the industry has become. Nvidia always had sizable jumps generation to generation, in raw performance. They STILL get better raw performance, but now it’s nowhere near impressive enough and they have to add their fake frame technologies into their graphs. Don’t get me wrong, they always had questionable marketing tactics, but now it’s getting even worse.
No idea when I’m replacing my 3060ti, but it won’t be nVidia.
All I want is more VRAM, it can already play all the games I want.
But with our new system we can make up 10x as many fake frames to cram between your real ones, giving you 2500 FPS! Isn’t that awesome???
Bullshitted pixels per second seem to be the new currency.
It may look smooth in videos, but 30fps upframed(?) to 120fps will still feel like a 30fps game.
Modern TVs do the same shit, and it both looks and feels like ass. And not good ass.
I don’t mean to embarrass you, but you were also supposed to say “AI!”
Points with a finger and laughs
Look at that loser not using AI
I am still on my GTX 1060 3 GB, probably worth about $50 at this point lol
I ran vr on one of those. Not well, but well enough.
Don’t think I’ll be moving on from my 7900XTX for a long while. Quite pleased with it.
I don’t buy every generation and skip 1 if not 2. I have a 40xx series and will probably wait until the 70xx (I’m assumimg series naming here) before upgrading.
It’s like how banks figured there was more money in catering to the super rich and just shit all over the rest of us peasants, GPU manufacturers that got big because of gamers have now turned their backs to us to cater to the insane “AI” agenda.
Also, friendly advice, unless you need CUDA cores and you have to upgrade, try avoiding Nvidia.Not surprised. Many of these high end GPUs are bought not for gaming but for bitcoin mining and demand has driven prices beyond MSRP in some cases. Stupidly power hungry and overpriced.
My GPU which is an RTX2060 is getting a little long in the tooth and I’ll hand it off to one of the kids for their PC but I need to find something that is a tangible performance improvement without costing eleventy stupid dollars. Nvidia seems to be lying a lot about the performance of that 5060 so I might look at AMD or Intel next time around. Probably need to replace my PSU while I’m at it.
bitcoin mining
That’s a thing of the past, not profitable anymore unless you use ASIC miners. Some people still GPU mine it on niche coins, but it’s nowhere near the scale as it was during the bitcoin and ethereum craze a few years ago.
AI is driving up prices or rather, it’s reducing availability, which then translates into higher prices.
Another thing is that board manufacturers, distributors and retailers have figured out that they can jack up GPU prices above MSRP and enough suckers will still buy them. They’ll sell less volume but they’ll make more profit per unit.
My kid got the 2060, I bought a RX 6400, I don’t need the hairy arms any more.
Then again I have become old and grumpy, playing old games.
Hell, I’m still rocking with a GTX 950. It runs Left for Dead 2 and Team Fortress 2, what more do I need?
GPU prices are what drove me back to consoles. It was time to overhaul my PC as it was getting painfully out of date. Video card alone was gonna be 700. Meanwhile a whole ass PS5 that plays the same games was 500.
It’s been 2 years since and I don’t regret it. I miss mods, but not nearly as much as I thought. It also SOOO nice to play multiplayer games without cheaters everywhere. I actually used to be one of those people who thought controllers gave an unfair advantage but… you can use a M/KB on PS5 and guess what? I do just fine! Turns out that the problem was never controllers, it was the cheaters.
But then there is that. The controller. Oh my lord it’s so much more comfortable than even the best gaming mouse. I’ve done a complete 180 on this. So many game genres are just so terrible to play with M/KB that I now tell people whining about controller players this:
Use gaming equipment for gaming and leave office equipment in the office.
