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Criminalise the gaza genocide denial, too.
Will they criminalise denial of the Gaza genocide, you know, the one that is currently underway?
Not yet. The ICJ is still examining the mountain of evidence. It will probably take a few more years.
I dont think we coined the term Holocaust until after the Germans lost the war. I imagine it’ll be the same with Gaza. History needs to happen and be written first.
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None of this is accurate even if history started on Oct 7.
You are blatantly lying.
Jewish human rights groups and human rights groups all over the world as well as genocide scholars all over the world are calling what is happening a genocide. I’ll put more weight on their conclusions than someone who has nine bullet points of Zionist hasbara.
I’d say there is overwhelming evidence that this is likely genocide, but we can’t say it is one until the ICJ finishes reviewing the mountain of evidence against Israel
50,000 died of a population of 2 million (many of them militants). 2.5%, while a tragic loss of life, does not compare with the Holocaust where one-third of the Jewish population worldwide, and two-thirds of European Jews, had been wiped out.
If Israel is intent on genocide they aren’t very good at it. They could have wiped out ⅔ of Gazans in the first week after October 7 but chose not to. Meanwhile Hamas and Hezbollah to this day call for ridding the Levant of all Jews but cannot.
Many more lives will be lost by Hamas not surrendering but it is a sacrifice Tankies in the comfort of their Western homes are willing to make.
50,000 died of a population of 2 million
No 50,000 direct deaths from Isreali munitions were able to be positively IDed. The actual number of deaths was estimated at a quarter million mid last year, and is probably at least twice that now, based on comments Trump made.
You think a quarter of Gazans have been killed? Yes I would call that Genocide but your figures are fantasy.
As long as Hamas don’t give up though (which seems to be what this sub wants) we can maybe eventually get there but then it will be a joint effort by IDF, Hamas, Hezbollah, Qatar, Iran, ProPals.
You think a quarter of Gazans have been killed?
So did you, given you thought that 50,000 of less then 250,000 had been killed.
I would call that Genocide but your figures are fantasy.
So, genocide denial.
As long as Hamas don’t give up though (which seems to be what this sub wants) we can maybe eventually get there
This is just straight up admitting that Isreal is doing genocide
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A quarter of a million is more than the population of Gaza.
No it isn’t. and if it was, then killing 50 thousand people would be killing an even larger percentage of the population than killing a quarter million…
So that would be more than all the Arabs in Israel combined.
No. It would be a quarter the population of Gaza. These are easily checked facts mate, not sure what you’re trying to prove by lying about them
How is the war continuing if by your calculations IDF has already killed all Palestinians (including Palestinians who don’t even exist to make up your fantasy total).
What exactly do you think the population of Gaza is?
You need to read the definition of genocide. I highly recommend following that with the south African report to the ICJ
Gazan civilians are not being “targeted”. It is Hamas and Hezbollah who are intent on genocide. I mean they actual say it - why not believe them?
If Israel is intent on genocide they aren’t very good at it. They could have wiped out ⅔ of Gazans in the first week after October 7 but chose not to. Meanwhile Hamas and Hezbollah to this day call for ridding the Levant of all Jews but Cannot.
Trump’s talk of “evicting” Gazans to Libya is disturbing. That would be ethnic cleansing.
Gazans civilians are absolutely being targeted
See lavender. And the SA report
Lemmy is supposed to be our sanctuary from schoolyard level taunts, not our sanctuary from views we don’t like.
Yes I remember in grade school being harassed by being called a liar after saying grass is blue and the sky is green.
I see you are only comfortable in an echo chamber.
Calling out bullshit isn’t being uncomfortable with other viewpoints.
Sorry not everyone has unlimited patience for fascist and/or genocide supporters. But thems the breaks when you hold shitty viewpoints.
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As a German who lives in Finland: bravissimo!
you’ll have to work on your finnish a bit more
you what?
Which Holocaust? All of them, or just the one from 80 years ago?
Probably not all of them. We dont know of every one. Some were prehistory.
I’m not a Finn, but I dont think they were involved in many Holocausts except one?
Laws restricting speech are a disgrace. Unbelievable that they actually seem to be passing it.
The classic “you can’t yell fire in a crowded theater” denier.
Everyone knows you can only yell “fire” in an empty theatre. You generally get trespassed immediately thereafter.
On one hand, this feels very “thoughtcrime”-y. On the other, certain people should probably just not have a platform to spew their nonsense on. I’m curious to see how this plays out.
The only way for tolerance to exist, is to not tolerate intolerance.
The paradox of tolerance disappears if you look at tolerance not as a moral or legal standard, but as a social contract:
If someone does not abide by the terms of the contract, then they are not covered by it.
In other words: the intolerant are not following the rules of the social contract of mutual tolerance.
Since they have broken the terms of the contract, they are no longer covered by the contract, and their intolerance should NOT be tolerated.
That reminds me of the south park episode with Mr Slave
I feel like banning their speech will only make them look like martyrs
I feel like as long as the banned speech is extremely specifically defined, I don’t care if they look like martyrs. “The holocaust never happened” is easily defined as holocaust denial, and it’s easy to enforce.
The problems arrive when a law is passed with an ambiguous, poorly defined meaning like “hate speech”. Hate speech can really mean anything someone else doesn’t like.
