Nintendo has been actively taking down YouTube videos that feature its games being emulated or modded, which has sparked significant discussion and concern within the gaming community.

  • Lvxferre@mander.xyz
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    294
    arrow-down
    4
    ·
    1 month ago

    “So, those guys generate positive advertisement for our games. How do we stop it, and make sure that public opinion shifts to «Nintendo is cringe and you’re a loser if you play this shit»?”

    Also, what the fuck is with Japanese law, criminalising modding?

    • Capt. Wolf@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      85
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      1 month ago

      Also, what the fuck is with Japanese law, criminalising modding?

      My best guess would be that they’re trying to get ahead of the recompiler scene before it catches a bigger foothold. But also, that lumps in the entire rom hacking and fan translation community, which I’m sure they view as perpetuating the piracy of their games.

      • woelkchen@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        70
        arrow-down
        3
        ·
        1 month ago

        My best guess would be that they’re trying to get ahead of the recompiler scene before it catches a bigger foothold.

        If AI-generating images from copyrighted training material is legal, then generating source code from copyrighted binary code is as well.

      • Prunebutt@slrpnk.net
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        12
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        1 month ago

        It’s probably not about that but rather to destroy the secondary market of modchips and save-file editors in Japan.

      • AndrewZabar@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        1 month ago

        Nonetheless, the best thing would be to let those kinds of fans do what they do, because it is free advertising. But no, they’d rather be right than pragmatic, so they shoot themselves in the foot. Meanwhile, if they’re so worried that these guys have that kind of serious reach and influence - aren’t those the people they shouldn’t piss on??

      • grue@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        1 month ago

        I don’t care what bullshit justification they try to come up with for it; the bottom line is that it violates computer owners’ property rights.

        It is absolutely unconscionable, ass-backwards, Bizarro-world bullshit to privilege temporary fake Imaginary Property (IP) over and above actual property!

    • tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      63
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      1 month ago

      Typical Japanese bullshittery. I watch sumo, and even when there was no official way to watch outside Japan the sumo association would get youtube accounts showing matches taken down. Tons of industries are still run by technological dinosaurs.

      • Varyag@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        73
        arrow-down
        3
        ·
        1 month ago

        Japan was already living in the 2000’s back in the 80’s. The problem is that 40 years later, they’re still living and thinking in the exact same way.

        • papalonian@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          1 month ago

          “Japan has had the best 2000s tech since the 80s” I think is the succinct phrase you were looking for

    • johannesvanderwhales@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      44
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      1 month ago

      I mean, if the decision were made today, I guarantee our current supreme court in the US would not have given us fair use.

      • mPony@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        32
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        1 month ago

        the current U.S. Supreme Court wouldn’t give you democracy, even though the American military has killed tens of thousands of people around the world in its name.

    • x4740N@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      4
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      1 month ago

      You sure is Nintendo of Japan and not Nintendo of america that’s doing it because the american office would use american jurisdiction

      Also, what the fuck is with Japanese law, criminalising modding?

      You state that this is Japanese law but what is clearly happeing here is nintendo abusing laws, please correct that statement of yours because your unfairly criticising the Japanese government for the actions of nintendo

      • Lvxferre@mander.xyz
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        1 month ago

        It is the result of Japanese law. Further info here (in English) and here (in Japanese).

        As such, yes, the Japanese government is also to blame. Plus any other government playing along with this crap, be it from USA or Brazil or whatever.

    • Kalysta@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      3
      ·
      1 month ago

      I would assume a company such as sony or nintendo lobbied for that law.

    • Psythik@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      49
      arrow-down
      5
      ·
      1 month ago

      The Switch was my last console purchase; I’m never buying another console from anyone ever again. I haven’t touched it in years cause every time I new game comes out that I want to play, I just pirate it instead. Why bother playing new releases on an underpowered, outdated handheld that struggles to render in 1080p, when I can play them in 4K on my PC at 60-120 FPS instead? Seriously, fuck Nintendo. Between their crappy hardware and crusade against gamers, I have zero reason to give them another cent of my hard-earned cash.

      • lunarul@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        13
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        1 month ago

        I grew up as a PC gamer (if you can call 8-bit computers PCs too) and never had a console as a kid. I got an Xbox One when it came out, just because of the Kinect, and never played anything on it other than Just Dance. Playing on my PC is more convenient. I got a Switch and played some Pokémon, but couldn’t get in the habit of playing on a device instead of a PC. When I got a Switch emulator on my PC, I played more on that than I did on the actual Switch in all the time I owned it.

      • tfw_no_toiletpaper@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        9
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        1 month ago

        I remember back when I was a teen, emulating GBA games on our family laptop because I had no money. I did not buy one single Nintendo games (for myself), but played 90% of the Zelda series. Great games, annoying ass company.

      • GeneralInterest@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        7
        ·
        1 month ago

        The Steam Deck seems like a decent console, if that counts, because you’re free to do what you want with it

        But perhaps you consider that to just be a handheld PC instead of a console, which I suppose is true

      • misk@sopuli.xyz
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        edit-2
        1 month ago

        Did you buy Nintendo console for performance or were you just surprised because it was your first one and you didn’t check what you were buying?

        • Psythik@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          1 month ago

          Of course not; don’t be silly. There were no emulators available when I bought one. Plus it was more of a present for the GF anyway, and she still uses it as a Ring Fit machine.

    • misk@sopuli.xyz
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      2
      arrow-down
      3
      ·
      1 month ago

      Keep buying Nintendo products so that we have systems with good games. They’re stuck in the last century but that’s for better AND worse.

    • majestictechie@lemmy.fosshost.com
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      8
      arrow-down
      14
      ·
      edit-2
      1 month ago

      I would never buy another Nintendo product after I bought the switch, played it for 2 months and never picked it up again.

      Wife uses it, has a bunch of digital games installed, daughter wanted to use it, create an account on same device and she has to buy them again. Another reason to buy physical but other consoles let you play games on different accounts, it’s just Nintendo being c***s

      • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        19
        ·
        1 month ago

        Eh… They do have family sharing over multiple consoles and if it’s just a different user on the same console then they can play all the same games as you either choose the user before starting the game or your have multiple saves in the game itself…

        • Cadeillac@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          13
          ·
          1 month ago

          There are so many things to hate Nintendo for. Someone tell homie he doesn’t have to lie to kick it

          • brbposting@sh.itjust.works
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            2
            arrow-down
            2
            ·
            1 month ago

            Never attribute to malice what can better be attributed to only using it for a couple months and not looking into family sharing yet

            • Cadeillac@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              5
              ·
              1 month ago

              All you have to do is click the game and click your profile. If they had even attempted they would know this

              • brbposting@sh.itjust.works
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                1
                arrow-down
                1
                ·
                1 month ago

                And in your estimation they probably did click the game and click their profile and they came to Lemmy to try to make a Nintendo look worse?

      • samus12345@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        13
        ·
        edit-2
        1 month ago

        No, user accounts on the same console have access to any physical or digital games on that console, just like with PS5 and XBox. Nintendo sucks and all, but not THAT bad…yet.

      • Anas@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        11
        ·
        1 month ago

        That’s definitely not true, I have at least two digital games that we share on multiple accounts.

      • BlueSquid0741@lemmy.sdf.org
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        9
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        1 month ago

        That’s definitely not the way it works.

        My partner has a switch. We both created as account on it. She buys digital games on it and everything that’s installed appears in the games list.

        Anyone that picks it up can see that game list. If I’m playing then I pick a game from the list and it asks which account is playing and I can choose mine or hers. Then the game starts.

  • Hudomi@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    118
    arrow-down
    3
    ·
    1 month ago

    With all these news recently, you could think Nintendo wants to be hated. It’s truly shameful how the company has fallen since Iwata is gone.

    • samus12345@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      40
      ·
      1 month ago

      On the plus side, it makes me feel extra good when I load their games onto my hacked Switch! Echoes of Wisdom was fun, but felt really short. I would have felt cheated if I’d spent $60 on it.

      • hakase@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        9
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        edit-2
        1 month ago

        I mean, its predecessor was a basic-ass remake of a ten hour, thirty year old Game Boy game that also cost $60.

          • samus12345@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            2
            ·
            1 month ago

            I don’t mind the art style, other than the ugly-ass blur filter applied to the bottom of the screen. Fortunately, you can remove it if you’re playing it emulated or on a hacked Switch.

    • sus@programming.dev
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      29
      ·
      1 month ago

      to be honest, 80% of their customers probably don’t even know what an emulator is and don’t follow news about nintendo

    • Microw@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      28
      ·
      1 month ago

      Nintendo has gone after youtubers and content creators for 15+ years. They are infamous for it.

    • Flax@feddit.uk
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      17
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      1 month ago

      They still did this stuff under Iwata. It’s actually more of a Japanese thing than a Nintendo thing. Although the quality of stuff was better under Iwata

    • demizerone@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      15
      arrow-down
      3
      ·
      1 month ago

      All they have is their IP, they must protect it at all costs. Nintendo doesn’t even let Shingeru Myamoto wipe is own ass out of fear he will get hurt.

    • _sideffect@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      42
      arrow-down
      3
      ·
      1 month ago

      We won’t have much choices left it seems

      Sony: Greedy fucks who don’t know their customers anymore Microsoft: Kills off great studios then complains they have no games

        • Fonzie!@ttrpg.network
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          4
          arrow-down
          29
          ·
          edit-2
          1 month ago

          And what do you play them on? Sony PlayStation, Nintendo Switch, or Microsoft Windows? Maybe you play the Microsoft Windows version on Linux or macOS?

          • PotentialProblem@sh.itjust.works
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            42
            ·
            1 month ago

            Playing the windows version on Linux doesn’t really support Microsoft. It’s not like on the consoles where they get a cut of the sales. Even playing directly on windows isn’t that terrible. I don’t remember the last time I purchased a copy of windows. I’ve been using the same key for like 15 years now

                • Fonzie!@ttrpg.network
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  3
                  arrow-down
                  4
                  ·
                  edit-2
                  1 month ago

                  Oh no, I’m not saying it benefits them. It just means we depend on them.

                  Also means Steam, GOG, Itch etc. will see a high percentage of Windows games sold and played. It’s either that, or one of the consoles. Linux or macOS ports are incredibly rare.

                  Well, or play a mobile game.

          • MrQuallzin@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            40
            arrow-down
            2
            ·
            1 month ago

            You can play any games you want, though? Throw an emulator on there and play all your old games. Install non-steam games, add them to Steam using its very easy to use “Add a non-Steam game” button, and play as normal.

            Heck, if you don’t like Linux you can just install Windows on the thing.

            Steam takes a lot of money and then turns around and invests it into the gaming community.

            • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              9
              arrow-down
              7
              ·
              1 month ago

              They also use that money to pay their employees more than the industry average and to make their owner a billionaire that owns a yacht collection. They could 100% afford to take a smaller cut with only Gabe “feeling the impact”.

            • Pilgrim@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              3
              arrow-down
              13
              ·
              1 month ago

              I saw a review where it was said that you can only play steam games, but I just looked it up and apparently you can play all the other games as well by simply adding them or launching other launchers…

              Steam invest’s into the gaming community? Do you have any source for that so that I can read about that?

              • archonet@lemy.lol
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                20
                ·
                edit-2
                1 month ago

                Yeah, I have a Steam Deck, and it’s literally just a PC in the form factor of a Switch. It has a BIOS menu, you can install Windows on it (but you really shouldn’t), you can install a different flavor of Linux (I recommend Bazzite) – you can even install and play pirated Windows games through Proton, more or less fine, though you have to work for it a bit more.

                They developed Proton so that they could get Windows games working on the Deck, and the reason they didn’t make the Deck run Windows is they wanted greater control over the OS than Windows affords. Proton has benefited all gamers on Linux. More recently, they’ve officially partnered with Arch as of a few days ago (which is what SteamOS is built on): https://www.tomshardware.com/software/linux/the-arch-linux-team-is-now-working-directly-with-valve-steamos-and-arch-should-both-benefit-greatly

                and just to gush a bit more: the Deck is the only thing I can remember pre-ordering in the last 10 years and being genuinely happy that I did.

                • BlueSquid0741@lemmy.sdf.org
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  6
                  ·
                  1 month ago

                  And add to that the story behind DXVK, which was the turning point around 2018 for Linux gaming. Valve hired the guy who created it, so they could develop it professionally instead of as a hobbyist. With it remaining open source and free.

                  Yes, they do it because it helped them achieve what they wanted. But they don’t lock it down and they work with a lot of OSS which is then upstreamed.

          • FiveMacs@lemmy.ca
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            15
            ·
            1 month ago

            I don’t own a deck, but i know it’s way more then JUST a steam game player.

            • Pilgrim@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              4
              arrow-down
              2
              ·
              1 month ago

              My fault, I watched a review where it was said that you can only play steam games, but I see that this isn’t true. You can indeed play all your PC games or whatever

          • woelkchen@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            12
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            1 month ago

            Steam takes a lot of money for their service, which is a problem.

            They take the same amount of money as other console makers and the store cut is completely unrelated to what Nintendo’s lawyers do which is the actual topic here.

              • woelkchen@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                3
                ·
                1 month ago

                This isn’t a good argument, right?

                The topic is Nintendo who make a handheld console and unless CD Project make a GOGBoy with a bespoke SteamOS-like “console OS”, yet another storefront for Windows PCs is hardly an actual alternative.

                I also though of them because they recently improved their subscriber agreement (apparently not for selfless reasons but still an improvement esp. in the light of what Nintendo is currently doing).

              • ggppjj@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                3
                ·
                edit-2
                1 month ago

                I’ll give my own experience as a Steam customer and aspiring game dev:

                I’ve never had a problem with Steam that wasn’t quickly and satisfactorily resolved. Usually, in ways that go above and beyond Valve’s stated responsibilities. They have been quick to respond to the two hardware tickets I’ve raised over the years of owning a Steam controller, two Steam Links, a Valve Index, and my own Steam Deck.

                In the many years that I’ve used all flavors of Linux and installed all manner of native games and non-native games, it has only been in the last 4 or 5 years that the process has become, in my own experience, painless enough for me to not only consider suggesting other less technical people I know to try Linux, but to enthusiastically recommend it. They were the strongest single driving force I am aware of in bringing day-one mass-market release games to Linux.

                I have, over the years of my dealing with them, come to believe that money spent towards Valve is materially making my life better in ways that just playing games through Steam doesn’t fully encapsulate.

                They provide development assistance and funds for open source projects in a way that truly gives back to the projects they work with, their company is run in a way that I find personally satisfying and aspirational, their leadership feels like they’re maintaining their relevance in the industry instead of being disconnected money-men…

                I respect their decisions enough to consider their cut reasonable as compared to the services they provide both directly and indirectly to the PC gaming industry as a whole.

                • Pilgrim@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  2
                  arrow-down
                  3
                  ·
                  1 month ago

                  I see why you have a positive view on Valve / Steam. However, while this can be the case for many people, it still doesn’t adress what is typically criticised.

                  One is that they take 30% of the money, which can be described as incredibly high, compared to other paltforms like Epic Games (12%). Is it justified just because they have the same service as any big company has? I don’t know.

                  I think there is much room for discussion about this, however, I won’t discuss it any further here, because brainless people just downvote my comment.

          • AWildMimicAppears@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            4
            ·
            1 month ago

            My Steam Deck has a 512GiB SD card full of pirated games using lutris and sega genesis and nintendo ds roms on it. it is more comfortable to just buy stuff and play, which i do with titles that are worth it (thats the internal memory for), but you are not limited in any way (except that it has to work on linux)