- Steam Frame 256GB: 1,059 USD / 1,529 CAD / 1,049 EUR / 889 GBP / 1,609 AUD / 4,539 PLN
- Steam Frame 1TB: 1,299 USD / 1,859 CAD / 1,279 EUR / 1,089 GBP / 1,969 AUD / 5,549 PLN
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1500 can? Hell naw, I’ll wait for Sam altmen to get fucking merked by the repo men before I shell out for any electronics at this point.
The integrated computer killed it.
If it were just a headset that depended on the Steam Machine/PC it could have been significantly cheaper. Adding enough RAM to make it a useful computer was probably most of the price.
Let’s say they removed the onboard capability, and doing so halved the price.
You’re then left with a device which costs basically the same as a Quest 3 but also requires a PC to do anything. I’m pretty sure that would be reviewed a heck of a lot worse than even the current situation is.
A self-contained unit that matched the Quest and wins on not price but privacy was the only reasonable direction for Valve here.
You’re then left with a device which costs basically the same as a Quest 3 but also requires a PC to do anything.
That’s basically a wireless Index without the lighthouse, which is all a LOT of us were asking for. I don’t see the problem and would love that.
How would you do wireless streaming without some kind of compute to handle the networking and video decoding? The frame is primarily a wireless streaming device
Thin client vs full computer.
Essentially it ahould have been an extreme edition chromecast that can decode the 6ghz datastream. Nothing more.
But it can boot and run cyberpunk (in shit quality but whatever). That was not neccessary.The capacity is like half the Steam Deck, which is years old. It’s an older mobile chip. All the magic comes from foveated rendering.
They could’ve saved maybe a hundred dollars from a cheaper chip, a little more with less storage and RAM. Then it wouldn’t be able to compete with the Meta Quest while being more expensive still. It would just have had slightly better tracking and controllers.
There are third party wireless streaming devices that function with the Index. It doesn’t take much compute to operate wifi and process minimally compressed video.
A headset with Chromebook equivalent hardware would be significantly cheaper than a headset with Steam Deck equivalent hardware.
They wanted a device like the Quest that would let people play decent VR without needing a strong PC. I think that was the right decision when it was being planned. But now that we’re mid-RAM apocalypse, the better move may have been to iterate on the Index and not try to make a new platform.
I didn’t know this existed, but a quick Google found nofio, but looks pretty pricy and doesn’t have great reviews… https://www.reddit.com/r/ValveIndex/comments/1b9hc7i/im_a_backer_for_the_wireless_nofio_adapter_many/
I don’t play lotteries and I only have one kidney left.
I’m out.
Beginning of this year, I was stoked to get the controller, machine, and frame.
After the controller came out, decided it was a bit too pricey for the partner and me, not to mention how impossible it was to get your hands on one anyway, so we decided to skip.
Then the Machine comes along, and could not justify that cost either. Wanted a small living room box and it looks so sleek, but the price to power ratio just is not there for me, so decided to skip this too.
Well, all money saved for the Frame right? Sigh… Nah man, not at this price. Not to play Beatsaber and Pistolwhip every one in a while. Ah well.
Good luck to all on the lottery, hope you enjoy it.
Thanks AI!
I don’t have any advice for the controller and frame, unfortunately. But check out mini PCs for a potentially cheaper Steam Machine replacement. You can easily put SteamOS on it and get a very similar experience.
I was super pumped about these as well, and same experience. I have a steam deck and I really just leave docked to my TV for 99% of the time. The steam frame is somewhat surprising (I thought it might come in at a higher price point), but based on my experience just trying out a few other VR sets, it feels like a really expensive gimmick.
I had to give up my index 3 years ago but thought I’d get back into VR with the frame.
Only to find there are only one or two new games/experiences even worth trying out. In 3 years…
Perhaps this is more for you: https://makerworld.com/en/models/3134457-steam-machine-style-tissue-box-cover-1-1-replica
and there it is. ouch.
It’s higher than I’d like, but lower than I feared. All you had to do is look at flagship phone prices to get a feel for where the floor of the price could be.
oh, you’re not going for the Steam Frame Duo? :P
The Steam Frame Mono lacks depth.
I like the flexibility of buying only the eye you want though.
Pretty useless to get a full Frame if you’ve only got one eye!
Yeah, fuck AI.
As much as I would like to upgrade to this, the price is just too steep at this point for me.
Yeah price hurts but less than I thought.
I am glad they went with the lottery again, since I know trying to snipe it as it comes into stock would just leave me clicking refresh for hours and coming up empty handed like the first steam controller release day.
And I don’t want to be having to use bots or discord channels to get alerts to try and get something that will go out of stock in seconds.
I mean I had an auto-refresher going anyway
$1500 CAD, plus another like $130 for straps and a charger that should be included. Then I have to order prescription lenses.
I don’t think this one is for me.
I hope Sam Altman rolls over in his grave over what he’s done to prices.
You don’t have a USB c charger already? Please don’t mix valid criticism (the ergonomics kit pricing is ridiculous) with a positive move to reduce e-waste. I have multiple USB c chargers that will work for the frame, I’m glad they won’t be manufacturing and shipping me a new one.
I don’t have many >50W chargers handy.
One is for my steamdeck
One is deployed at my desk for charging my phone (which is very tucked away and annoying to get to)New high wattage (which can be trusted to not combust spontaneously) chargers cost >40-50€.
Wait for him to blow up and the bankruptcy tide to wash the price down, Chinese chips will push that further.
There’s too much money involved.
They’ll cry “national security” and too big to fail, then force the bailouts on US citizens.
Then the USA bond market will crash, and them along with it. No shot it’ll happen and if it does, the dollar has a good chance of lossing national reserve status.
Consumable light gaskets are US$50. For a piece of injection molded plastic.
That’s not at all a bad price for the product. Honestly I’m surprised it’s not more.
I was looking forward to getting this, but not at that price. Guess I’ll check back in with VR in another 5-10 years.
Honestly I’m shocked at the price. In a good way. They originally said last year it would be less than the Index, which was about $1k, so I fully expected it to have the same 33% increase as the Steam Deck and Machine.
It is a high quality VR headset with an integrated computer inside of it. It was always going to be ~$1000. I’m impressed they actually managed to keep it at only $1050, given the current RAM shortage
They are likely making no money on these.
Exactly
For all we know, it did. They may have been hoping to release at US$750.
100% buy for me at HALF this price, which sounds closer to what they wanted to release at if not for the PC components price spikes.
It sucks that this is the current market, but for what it is, this is unfortunately pretty much what I expected. Its similar hardware to a flagship phone, but with custom VR hardware and software, so flagship phone, plus about 25%
A foldable Iphones or two of these? I’m taking neither but if I had to choose I’d never take the first option.
You’d probably get a whole lot more use out of a phone…
You could also buy a phone that’s one third of the price and has about the same specs as the expensive one. That isn’t really true in the VR market
Quest 3 but it pervs everything around you.
Mmmmm same specs, no. Same usefulness, sure.
Phones havent really evolved in the last few years, they at most got minor increments in specs. Get last years flagship for half price or this years “midrange” series for 1/3 and the only thing that might be worse is the camera.
I do less now with phones or at least expect less, since I don’t do gaming on them. Just basic messaging, emails, and basic apps.
Its one of the devices where specs have mattered less and less where before upgrades were desired because just running the OS felt sluggish.
Specs mattering less is not the same as having the same specs.
If all someone is doing for instance on a mac is browsing the web and emails and some light program use they aren’t going to notice the difference going from a m1 mac to a m4 mac.
Same with phones. These days unless somone is using resource hungry applications only noticeable area is battery, and its usually battery life that pushes people to upgrade these days.
Phones aren’t exactly consoles either pointing to how amazing the graphics are compared to the past gen. People just use the same apps like tiktok or whatever on whatever phone they picked up and experience is pretty much the same. Phones aren’t that novel anymore.
None of this has anything to do with them supposedly having the same specs.
So standard Valve bullshit to milk the marks so GabeN can buy new Aston Martins for his son.
It’s to try and stop or at least limit scalping. 🤦♂️
By advertising “hey we got a limited number of these things. And people are going to pay through the roof for them”?
Now Ford did a similar thing with the Mustang GTD. And I remember that being seen as controversial here on Lemmy. But now Valve is doing it it’s fine.
Car company doing a limited run high performance model? Who said that was controversial? Car companies have been doing that since the beginning of cars. “Homologation special” ain’t exactly a modern term.
It’s not the limited run that was controversial. But that they used the same lottery system Valve is using here.
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