Holy Hell!
This definitely will be on my shopping list. At the top. I hope they bring to all devices and not only higher end.
This news aligns quite well with the Levovo T series ThinkPad repairability.
Other major tech companies sail towards more and more closed environments.
When is it gonna come out?
Just take my money!
Oh, they will.
Whelp, looks like I’m going to Motorola
Good, good. Next, tell me there will be a 3.5mm headphone jack, swappable SD card, and user-replaceable battery and we’ll be golden.
There will be a 3.5mm headphone jack, swappable SD card, and user-replaceable battery.
Help, I have turned to gold and cannot move or turn back.
You bastard!
their phones do tend to have that already…
e: at least the lower end ones I’ve had
So interesting to me that it’s the lower end phones that have the features I want
It’s mostly to achieve higher IP ratings, and people with expensive phones also tend to pay for things like cloud storage upgrades and expensive bluetooth earbuds.
Hopefully this initiative sticks, sounds like my next phone (eventually) might just be Motorola/Graphene.
Historically, the problem with Motorola hasn’t been their os, it’s been their hardware, it’s just usually not very good when compared to the competition. And often the price is higher for what you’re getting.
As long as they have basic shit like NFC or wireless charging. One of the main reasons I stopped buying them. 2nd was the tablet sized screens.
Because its grapheneos you will likely have NFC, but whether you have tap-for-payment options will be a crapshoot, especially in North America, unless having an official vendor changes things with grapheneos’s play store integrity issue (which is doubtful).
I never realized you could have NFC and not tap-for-payment support. Is that not how tap-for-payment works?
The apps that enable tap-for-payment ask your bank for permission and some security details to activate using cards for NFC.
In North America, banks won’t give that permission/security info to any android app but google pay, and only if the play store verification thing says the OS is fully secure - and google pretends grapheneos doesn’t hit those security metrics.
So yes, NFC is how tap-for-payment works, but unless NA banks implement it themselves, or trust a 3rd party that isn’t google to implement it, grapheneos phones are blocked from using the tap-for-payment functionality.
That’s… Fucking stupid. But it’s to be expected from greedy, overly powerful tech corporations I suppose.
Tap to pay is whatever but I do use NFC for some home automatons.
What you use for home automation if you’re into open source and security?
I use the term home automation loosely. Mostly I use it for initiating Tasker scripts at home with a single tap.
Do you have tasker on grapheneOS?
I can’t imagine grapheneos shipping on a phone without NFC.
…I wish I had the money to play with homeassistant for random things.
Best shot is that EU will make it possible, as they distance themselves from US tech right now.
Its an issue that, currently, banks have to resolve by either developing (see certain EU banks that have done so) or supporting an NFC card management app that doesn’t require the highest level of the google play security thing to function.
I doubt EU legislation can fix this, and I doubt Canadian banks will care enough to do anything to support anything beyond apple pay and google pay.
I quite like my Razr. I’m sure if they’re aiming to be a true alternative to the mainstream OSs, they’ll be including many of the mainstream features
I’m old school, I remember when NFC was used for stuff like domotics
One of the largest complaints of Pixels I’ve seen is that they’re too expensive. These will cost twice as much.
I don’t think I have ever heard that for the a series. That if fact, I have always heard that it is just about the best price-value on the market, the downside being that it is google and no SD card slot (which is common now). They use the flagship chip in it still, right?
What? When I was buying my last phone prev gen Pixel cost me 1/3 of what I would have to pay for a Fairphone. It’s the exact opposite, less popular phones with long support are way too expensive compared to Pixel.
Omg omg. What to do. My old Pix does not fit me anymore. For last 2 month I planned to get new Pix 10 XL. And just out of the blue, this. Should I wait another year for a new Moto?! That’s tempting. Although the first gen of new moto devices might be buggy etc.
Before it was Pixel, the Nexus phones were sometimes made by Moto. I’d wait. They were great phones, and I’ve used moto on Android recently when the pixel prices went too high for my budget at that time. Was very happy with it, and got a lot of use out of it. I don’t expect buggy when graphene support switches.
Buy a fairphone
Lemme know when fairphone has a re-lockable bootloader to allow for choice of OS.
Moto have been making phones for as long as there has been phones. Software issues would get fixed. I don’t think hardware issues are likely.
The biggest risk is Google being evil and cutting both of them off from the Android source code or refusing to sign the releases. Google already refuse signing releases for GrapheneOS on the pixel.
Google already refuse signing releases for GrapheneOS on the pixel.
Do you mean how you get a special boot screen implying you’re doing something sketchy?
Google signing things is not something we want. We want phones that don’t care if your OS is signed by Google, and banking apps that trust you to pick an OS.
One of the main thing id size of phones, pixel has a series which are comparitevely smaller but I dont know if Moto has any small phones. If only moto make a small phone too, it will be awesome
They have folding phones that’s are smallish
I’d rather a 6 inches and under small phone than a folderble.
Damn, Motorola may really make a comeback with this!
Well yeah. I doubt the GrapheneOS team would allow anything less.
Fantastic. Excellent news! I would expect nothing less.
Probably a long shot, but I wish they added a headphone jack and sd card to these phones. These features would also benefit privacy.
Actually, a few of the Motorola phones do have headphone jacks and sd card ports, like the moto G. Which is why I’m really, really hoping those are the models supported.
I’ve specifically heard that it’s going to be a flagship chipset at first, especially, so it definitely won’t be the Moto G line. I’ve heard it’s going to be closer to the Moto Signature, which is like 3.3 Monero.
If they don’t release this with a phone that has a headphone jack, they are dumber than a box of rocks. Motorola hardware is flat out not great, but the fact that their G line has a headphone jack and is one of main draws and the only reason I’ve bought them for my kids. If they do release a GrapheneOS compatible phone with a headphone jack, I’ll likely end up buying a few of them for the family and it will be my go to recommendation to others.
I personally might not use a headphone jack or SD card slot very much, but for the market that a GrapheneOS phone would be targeting they seem like OBVIOUS things to include.
The crowd getting excited about this partnership is pretty much the same crowd that complains about features like those going away.
I’ve finally accepted the death of the 3.5mm jack. But no sd card is bullshit.
E/os is working for me tho. Realized I don’t even need microG to have permissions for anything other than notifications and all my stuff works. All I really miss is the ability to chromecast music.
I will never accept the death of the 3.5mm jack. I refuse to buy wireless ear buds as I know I will lose them. I need my tiny ear speakers to come with anti-misplacement cord technology.
I mean, I use Bluetooth headphones on my phone most of the time, but I do still require a headphone jack as a backup. I used a phone without one for a while, and decided I need one on future phones, as well as a micro SD card (I need more than a tb of storage for my music and audiobooks).
😆 I do use a dongle anyway. Even if I bluetooth it, I’ll have a DAC/Amp with a jack.
FWIW, I thought the same thing. But then I bought some cheap Chinese buds and never lost a single one. I’m on my third or fourth set and still haven’t come close to losing one.
Though I still won’t pay for the premium priced ones.
i was the same on my end, and my current phone even has a 3.5 jack (zenfone 9). i used to have aeveral wired headphones ive lost over the years.
in like 2019, i got airpod pros for functionally free, never lost them yet. then had pro gen 2 and havent lost them yet. (again functionally free in my case)
Check out beats flex, they’re fantastic and have great battery life. Mine are almost six years old and work great still. They’re wireless but cabled together. The cables don’t tangle together like wired earbuds, either. They also charge on USB-C, so you can use your regular charger cable.
It took me longer than many but I accepted it to.
Never going back to cable slap when exercising. True wireless buds for ever.
SD card would certainly be nice still.
But realistically I’ll likely still buy this as long as it has half decent specs and is IP67+
I’d love an SD card again. At home, I can just use SMB to access remote file systems on my phone. I can do it while mobile, but despite the gig connection, it’s a bit too slow for my taste. Works for files, but it won’t ever let me watch a downloaded movie on a plane or a podcast while driving across Kansas. I’d rather be able to dump 128GB on an SD card via my laptop (much faster I/O) then stick it in the phone.
I’ve gotten used to BT headphones, but I’d love to be able to plug in to a stereo again without a flakey Bluetooth dongle
Well, if you’re using bluetooth to hit your stereo you can get a receiver that jacks in and sits next to it to keep the phone dongle-free. There’s real cheap ones and some higher end ones with better DACs in them (if your stereo doesn’t have a DAC). But it’s not much more difficult to set up a DLNA Media Server or get a chromecast receiver to stream to your stereo over wifi without needing to compress the audio the way bluetooth does.
I’ve also got a bluetooth DAC/Amp with a 3.5mm and 4.4mm jack that you can clip onto your clothes. Basically putting the dongle on the end of the headphone cord instead of the phone. But it runs on a charge. You can use any sort of wired headphones that you want (or connect to a stereo) and not have to be physically connected to your phone though.
Hell yeah
No jack? Send it back.
I too am curious, imo the headphone jack removal was the first sign of enshitification.
Genuinely question. If you want something with a modern high performance processor what options do you have that also include a jack?
I think Sony Xperia phones.
https://m.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_1_vii_5g-13843.php
Snapdragon 8 Elite. Release May 13, 2025.
How can we convince Sony to open the platform for third party os’s cuz I’m not buying something with slacking security updates in this age
I think they’re pretty open? Atleast I’ve seen a few good custom roms for Sony Phones, like DivestOS (before it died). I don’t know if they stopped doing that recently.
I expected no less.
