I dont think I know a single person who doesn’t just put their friend/co-workers down as “supervisors or managers” and use them as a reference.
And I know people will say “thats fraud,” but if you dont realise every business/corporation is committing white collar crimes, fraud, cheating the system, using tax loopholes, etc on a daily basis, I have a bridge to sell you.
I’ve never left a job thinking my direct manager would be a usable reference. Either they are the one who laid me off, or they are mad about having to replace me. Either way I’m not giving their number to anyone, so who cares if I make them more mad leaving without notice.
In the hypothetical universe where I leave a job with a healthy environment on good terms, I would give two weeks independent of the recommendation anyway.
That’s a perfectly reasonable viewpoint to hold, though sadly from a pragmatic perspective all it does is maintains the power imbalance between employers and employees. I’d love to live in a world where I don’t have to commit fraud in order to get a decent job but, for as long as I do, I probably will.
It’s not about references, it’s about when the prospective employer calls your former one and asks if you’re eligible for rehire.
I basically quit a retail job on the spot, because they took your 2 week notice effective immediately, and was wondering why I couldn’t find another until the hiring manager from the same store in another state told me I was marked ineligible for rehire. Once I stopped listing them I found a job easily.
I dont think I know a single person who doesn’t just put their friend/co-workers down as “supervisors or managers” and use them as a reference.
And I know people will say “thats fraud,” but if you dont realise every business/corporation is committing white collar crimes, fraud, cheating the system, using tax loopholes, etc on a daily basis, I have a bridge to sell you.
I’ve never left a job thinking my direct manager would be a usable reference. Either they are the one who laid me off, or they are mad about having to replace me. Either way I’m not giving their number to anyone, so who cares if I make them more mad leaving without notice.
In the hypothetical universe where I leave a job with a healthy environment on good terms, I would give two weeks independent of the recommendation anyway.
What if your logic is “yes I know THEY commit fraud regularly, but that doesn’t mean I have to.”?
That’s a perfectly reasonable viewpoint to hold, though sadly from a pragmatic perspective all it does is maintains the power imbalance between employers and employees. I’d love to live in a world where I don’t have to commit fraud in order to get a decent job but, for as long as I do, I probably will.
It’s not about references, it’s about when the prospective employer calls your former one and asks if you’re eligible for rehire.
I basically quit a retail job on the spot, because they took your 2 week notice effective immediately, and was wondering why I couldn’t find another until the hiring manager from the same store in another state told me I was marked ineligible for rehire. Once I stopped listing them I found a job easily.