28 TB $449.99 Price per TB: $16.07
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My 2TB SSD (which I bought for about 100€) failed, I could get my money back but a new one is now 300€.
They’re not the victims… WE ARE. They’re giving in to the tech bros idiocy and catering to their wishes. If they any ounce of dignity as a honorable brand, none of them would have risen their prices. There’s literally ZERO actual reason for them to do this other than tech bros rigging it against the rest of us.
Why isn’t there a companies just for the consumer market?
b/c they all fail as everyone is going for ai marketed cr*p
Noooooo!!
I just dreamt last night I had 2 more 28tb hard drives for my server to backup.
Now it’s a nightmare. Fuck AI!!!
Made me buy a used 10tb drive recently.
Screw them all, I will have a place for my data and I won’t pay them a dollar for these shenanigans.
I’ve got 30tb or so made up of 4 and 10tb used drives. All I’ll buy anymore. In fact, I need to change out of of my parity drives. Hopefully used market is still somewhat affordable.
In my country I got used 10tb for $150. Don’t know situation in your place.
I used to pay like $69 for them in the US. Looks like they add a hundred bucks or so to the price…
I will use a book shelf sized rack of RAID hubs filled with 1 GB flash drives before I buy a single fucking KB of cloud space.
I will install an ancient version of Linux on my mackie D8B soundboard and use that as my PC before I ever buy a goddamn cloud computer.
I would love to do that, but am scared of my house getting flooded/catching fire/getting tornado-ed/multitude of other things. Also, the electricity sometimes doesn’t work, especially now in winter and I need 100% uptime for remote data access
Backups and High Availability come to mind.
If there’s any other place you’d be allowed to install a second node on, ideally served by another ISP (since we talk about remote access), you can do that. This can be your friends, or family, or someone else you trust.
Just have 2 NAS devices with equal drives in each and let them work in a high availability cluster. This way, you’ll have near 100% uptime and a backup in case something goes wrong.
Sure, that is more expensive, but it gives some peace of mind while keeping control of your data. Additionally, with this configuration you don’t necessarily have to build a RAID array if money is a problem, so some costs can be shaved off (Though it never hurts to still have it if you can afford it)
An with my investments i really wanna cash in right now, i feel like the bubble is about to burst in the next 3-6months. Then stocks would go down by like 30% and i can buy in again.
Im almost certain its gonna crash down and i wanna be out before that happens but right now stocks just go up way to much.
Usually people advise against trying to time the market. Missing the down is one thing but if you miss the way back up then that is a lot of potential profit gone. Weathering the storm is typically the better option.
Glad I bought a bunch of 20 TB ones some months back. I’m good for a few years.
POP ALREADY!
It’s been a while since I bought storage. $500 for 24TB seems like a steal to me. Not that I have any need for 24TB. Also, I don’t trust Seagate drives. I’d rather have four, 6TB drives than one 24TB drive, but that’s just experience talking–I’ve lost several drives over the years, and most of them were Seagate. YMMV.
Less than a year ago 279 was a baseline price for 24tb
Man, i remember paying $300 for a 200gb ATA back in the day…
Phew! I just bought three 16TB drives a couple of months ago for my jellyfin setup.
Selling them for $5000 each if anyone is interested.
Do we dare ask why you need 48TB to store media, or do we slowly back out of the room, avoiding eye contact?
Redundancy and high quality backups maybe? Some people have hoarded a lot of media over how many years, doesn’t seem too far fetched to me.
You had me at horded.
You. Had. Me. At. Horded.
Honestly I don’t think it matters so much…
I think we reached peaked IT few years ago.
Nobody needs (that’s the crux term here, need, not “want” or “desire” or “wish”) a bigger hard drive. It’s the same way nobody needs an 8K TV and they they aren’t sold. Why?
I’m glad you ask, it’s all connected! If you stick to “just” a 4K TV, because you have normal human eyes, then the content you need is “just” 4K so a movie is just 2GB or so… and thus you don’t need a larger hard drive, thus not CPU, GPU, memory, etc. The current setup is simply “good enough”.
I can already hear the steps of that ONE person who edits 360 8K videos for National Geographic preparing to argue “actually…!” and yes, they ARE right. Some people, professionals, DO need super high res, super high framerate, super high everything … but that’s NOT your average consumer. You average consumer STOPPED upgrading because they need to. Most consumer who still upgrade mostly do it because of habit, because they get coerced into it (e.g. MicroSlop Windows 11) but not because they genuinely need to.
So… yes I “wish” I had better everything, including hard drive, but the truth is we “peaked” in terms of actually required spec a couple of years ago, same for phones that are now the same equivalent small slabs.
My point is I’m wondering if this AI bet will have deeper consequence for the industry overall with the realization for most people (again, please before you reply : your average consumer, the person who browse the Web, watch a video of a TV series, play some games for fun, NOT a professional!) that the hardware they have TODAY is good enough.
Get your point but most 4K encodings I see are ~10-20GB.
Another interesting metric is piracy trends, checking a popular show, e.g Fallout and its latest episode namely S02E05 :
- 1080p ~15k seeds
- 720p ~3k seeds
- 480p ~0.2 seeds
… and 2160p gets 50 seeds!
Of course that’s just 1 datapoint and it’d have to be replicated (maybe it was released after the other versions, maybe it’s a show people do NOT want in high res, etc) but it’s quite a big gap.
I only grab movies in 4k anymore, and that’s even reserved for those worthy of it (LotR or OG Marvel for example). I used to grab series in 4k but the size consumption is not worth it. The same goes for movies but you need to consider that one season of a series is equal to four to eight 4k movies in size depending on the episodes in the series. I used to grab 720p series for those not typically watched, but since H265 was introduced I find many releases where 1080p is similar and sometimes smaller in size to a 720p release.
It’s already having deeper consequences, if their purchases affect RAM and storage prices, then it means it yields results better than half a year ago.
I agree about “good enough”. I felt that “good enough” moment in year 2006. In year 2009 even more. Some people remember Amiga Workbench of year 1999 stage as “good enough”.
I don’t think it matters which of these is closer to the equilibrium, we’ll learn empirically.
But I’m feeling better that it’s having a hard power redistribution from consumer sector to datacenter sector, that’s not a bad thing, because most of that consumer sector was based on the bullshit you are describing. It didn’t need to, but all the potent avenues of said sector’s development were strangled by RIAA, “protect the children”, “there are wrong people saying wrong things in the Internet” and other such pressures. And also by Steve Jobs and his idea that you don’t need ergonomics or usefulness, just a sci-fi look and a brand, I think that’ll take years to rectify, even though people are slowly getting tired of the “touchscreens are the future, physical buttons are fossil” narrative.
That bullshit drain means that we’ll have a better, healthier consumer sector eventually. And perhaps in 10 years or so something interesting will be happening there. Life is about change and movement.
You realise massive capacity hard drives were never meant for the average plebian, right?
They were always aimed at people with Certain Requirements and businesses. So saying that Average Joe ain’t buying a 28tb hdds isn’t a gotcha, it’s the norm
(Meanwhile my workplace is buying them like crazy. building a new DAS)
Right, sorry maybe I got a bit excited by my point. It wasn’t about this HDD example in particular, it was about the broader consumer hardware trend.
The problem with your argument is that while you can buy the lower res movie because you don’t need more and if a lower res doesn’t exist you can still watch the high res on your low res TV, you can’t choose to buy a lower install size game or software.
When you buy those, the size it is is usually what you will have to install to use it, and if you can’t buy a large enough storage to install it…
I’d be curious to know if game size is increasing over time. My intuition is that we also peaked at 200GB installs. There are bigger games but on average I’m not sure we installation size keeps on growing.
I think we reached peaked IT few years ago.
Yeah because nobody does IT innovation anymore. It’s all been put toward enshitification.
the hardware they have TODAY is good enough.
Then the prices of hardware TODAY are good enough. How the fuck does it not matter that prices are skyrocketing across the board for EVERYTHING both old and new?
I’m not arguing about prices. I wish prices would keep on going down but that’s just my preference as a consumer. It has nothing to do with my argument though.
I don’t know if it’s just because I’ve grown a bit over the last 15-ish years, but a computer also seems to perform better for longer now. My 1070 I bought in 2016 (I think?) was clearly starting to lack behind with newer games after 4 years. My current 3070, which is 4 years old now, just keeps performing in new games.
Interesting, I’m not sure if there is a metric for it, maybe Steam most popular configuration could be used then see if it’s average time does it indeed last longer? My intuition is it might indeed but I didn’t check the actual data.
AI has really been great for the economy. /s
Butlerian Jihad When?
It warms the cockles of my heart that I renamed my self hosted LLM’s deep thinking mode to Mentats. For shits and giggles, I made it append every “deep thinking” conclusion it makes with [ZARDOZ HAS SPOKEN!].
It’s the simple things, really.
Why… why would hard drives be going up in price?? AI does not use spinning platters of rust, like, at all.
Yes it does. Where do you think they store those gigantic training datasets?
relative to the hard drive market in general, that seems like a drop in the bucket. research labs like CERN write TBs per SECOND
quality data sets don’t even come close
They might write to faster storage first, then dump to slower larger storage afterwards
they might, but the point is the volume of data rather than the speed… CERN is obviously an outlier, but not by as much as you’d think. copious amounts of data is kinda par for the course in a lot of cases, and training data just doesn’t even come close to the volume of data that large data users produce (data warehouses/lakes in the order of PB and EB are not that uncommon)
Because the opposite is true. AI uses spinning rust far, far more than it does solid state storage.
My best guess is they want to use the raw materials on more profitable products. Kinda like how consumer PSUs are going up in price. The materials are being used for enterprise PSUs in the datacenter
if 100% of the hardware goes to running data centers then we’ll just get cloud computers which are really good and fun to use and we like them for $40
Nah, fuck that
I forgot this was Reddit and you have to /s or nobody knows it’s a joke
I knew you were joking when I saw $40 price. $40 per minute perhaps. On top of your $100 ISP bill.
