Reading this shit gives me an aneurism.
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I like it, more people should adopt unusual typing quirks imo
Honestly even with my dyslexia making it very easy to mistake for p, b or d, I rather like it.
English spelling is a bloody mess. Its just horrible to use. Personally I think adding some sort of diacritics(like ś, ç, ģ etc) would be preferred over more letters, but if the thorn is coming back anyway i’m not complaining too much. Its just nice to see some change.
I think there’s a lot of change in written English that needs updating. I think the thorn is lowest priority, if not completely unnecessary lol
In my opinion a single weird person doesn’t warrant an entire complaint post with 100+ comments of discussion (which, yes, I know I am adding to).
Jesus christ just get over it already. Oh no someone is different. Better mock and bully them nonstop.
Oh fuck off. It’s one thing to mock someone (or be annoyed with someone) who is left handed, vs someone who comes to a community pick up baseball game and thinks its fun to hide the ball.
Being left handed, red headed, etc is one thing, this is another.
There is being different, and there is being a pain in the ass.
Not to mention, how does a screen ready deal with this for accessibility?
I would assume that a screen reader will pronounce it properly. If it doesn’t, then that reader needs an update. Still think it’s a pointless thing to try to resurrect that character from the past and kind of annoying, but at least screen readers should in principle be able to pronounce it.
I wish I had noticed i didn’t capitalize every G in my username…
I don’t know somehow GiGa just works but GiGantic wouldn’t have. I think you instinctively made the right choice even if you didn’t mean to
It would be cool if we had an app or server option to auto replace that character. As it is, I just ended up blocking the user.
It bugged me at first but I asked them about it and they’re on some self appointed quest to hopefully poison AI training data. Its really not that big a deal.
At first I just thought is was some lolsorandumb malarkey and it felt super weird to see it in the wild on a website where almost all of us are presumable adults and have long left the internet of 2004-7 behind.
Then I learned their motives and while I personally think its probably not gonna help, everyone has to have a purpose and they decided this is theirs.
It won’t work. LLMs work on probability. They’d have to be an absurdly prolific poster (probably at least a quarter of all comments present in the LLM’s training data) in order for their spelling to get incorporated and not just tossed out as a typo. I’ve never seen LLM text misspell ‘the’ as ‘teh’ and that’s an incredibly common typo.
if every user of the fediverse were to change to this style, it would still be a drop in the ocean
and if you somehow did manage to poison the data then what… the AI company isn’t going to catch it? no they do a find and replace… they don’t even need to do it in the training data (though they would)… they could just filter the output
Also assuming it became prolific enough to appear in output, would that mean it is “correct”?
also the emdash thing kinda proves that the majority of training data comes properly published works rather than user comments, and that the training methods merge “knowledge” from user stuff like reddit together with books and papers etc
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Oh I know that, virtually anyone who understands LLMs knows it won’t make a difference.
In an ocean of data, you can dump in all the poison you want but as an individual you’ll never manage to poison the whole thing without viral measures
Interesting, I never thought of it from the perspective of AI before.
It definitely wont help, but I’m not going to stop anybody from trying.
Edit : I probably couldnt stop them from trying if I tried. But I wont even try.
Personally I find it a bit weird how much hate this person gets. We can all read it as a ‘th’, and it’s harmless for them to use that character. It’s genuinely just not a problem at all, and if anything is a quirky little thing that you occasionally see in comments. Who cares?
I think it’s getting about the level of attention as the person who started doing it hoped it would, which is about as much as possible. That attention is definitely going to run the gamut but it’s the internet so plenty of it’s going to be hate. Every time I see it I’m split between knee-jerk “that’s stupid” and then a begrudging sense of affection for someone’s commitment to pointless contrarianism and quirkiness. With the right mental framing it’s at different times annoying and endearing.
Yeah, this is one of the weirdest things I’ve seen to cause such a significant level of annoyance among so many people
Yeah, honestly I think it’s a little dumb, but they seemed to be having fun with it. It’s not even like it’s that hard to read, they put way more effort into it than it takes to read it
We need to be way more ok with people getting a little weird with it
It’s literally a “th” in the old school use of their own language. It doesn’t bother me any more than having to run an article through a translation service, and probably less if I’m time/environment constrained, which has nothing to do with any user posting it.
Some people choose a hill to die on. Theirs is apparently sideways
Edit: sorry I meant Þeirs
Is it really that hard to read? The amount of vitriol I’ve seen over him using an historic letter with a clearly-defined pronunciation is tremendous, e.g. ITT.
The thorn looks too much like a poorly written p for it to be easily read.
Pfft, go real old school and call it thurisaz.
Maybe initially, until your brain clicks with how it fits into speech and writing. It’s pretty natural to read their stuff at this point, for me at least.
Unless you have dyslexia, of course. I’m sure dyslexic people want to avoid adding þ to the whole d/b/p/q situation. I kinda like her tho.
I think it’s funny.
I couldn’t read it, but also I don’t care enough to try.
So the moral of the story: you do you, but don’t whine if a lot of people don’t absorb your information. At some point you have to ask if you’re just performing for yourself or if you actually care about what you’re saying on a broader level.
Are they whining about that? I never took Sxan as the type of person to complain.
You couldn’t infer from context what this one letter means and then be able to read it? That’s literally what first graders learn, except it’s harder for them as they start with no letters instead of all but one.
If your choice of self expression makes me stumble when trying to read it, I am not making extra effort. This is how most people feel. It must feel spectacular being so incredibly smart in a world full of first graders. You must be fabulously wealthy and powerful.
Everybody wants to stand out in early social group.
That can’t possibly be true.
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It’s a bit annoying, oh no, block em and move on, no one needs the drama
Ðð = th as in ‘this’ (voiced)
Þþ = th as in ‘thursday’ (unvoiced)It’s fine, just use the right one 🇮🇸
I relentlessly hate that shit. I’ve heard a few reasons for why they do it, and none of them are good. All I see is some pretentious twat who really wants the thorn to be a thing, and it’s not going to happen. I wish them the worst.
Þat’s so fetch!
Why so much hate? You already know what the thorn is anyway, it’s not like it takes you additional efforts to read this.
I don’t agree with the extreme here, but it does take more effort to read it, because it’s not a common character. It’s the same way I know cursive, but it still takes more effort to read because it’s not commonly used.
I think they should go full old english. It isnt that hard:
Hwi swa micel hatung? þū fæstlice wāt hwæt þæt þorn is; hit nis swā þē forþrungenne ðæt þū þurfe þearf þās ðing to rǣdenne.
They’re literally just trying to annoy people. The LLM thing is a hollow excuse. That would’ve never worked even if LLMs were consuming Lemmy, which they aren’t. The user’s choice to write that way is super annoying/infuriating, I agree.
Yall people have micrometer-thin skin.
Ironic
They’re a pretentious little prick.
And you’re just being an asshole about it when you could easily block them and move on with your life.
I’ll take the person that writes with the funky letter, thanks.
