• Gammelfisch@lemmy.world
    3·
    7 hours ago

    The fuckers can carry on knocking each other off and Vlad should advise them to use the 6th floor windows and balconies instead of bullets.

  • GhostedIC@sh.itjust.works
    33·
    13 hours ago

    This isn’t even getting to the part where Nick Fuentes gets red in the face arguing that he’s definitely a real incel, and denying accusations that he secretly gets laid.

  • MystikIncarnate@lemmy.caEnglish
    65·
    17 hours ago

    From what I’m gathering, it seems like one group is more “traditionally” American racism… And the other group is more like WW2 Nazi racists?

    Either way, they’re racists and not worth the oxygen they’re consuming.

    Can I just continue to have incredible distain for all racism? Because I’d hate to be branded as a sympathizer to either group. They both sound horrible.

    The only surprising thing to me here is that racists hate eachother enough for this level of violence. I don’t necessarily consider that a bad thing, I just thought they would… I dunno, bond over their mutual hatred of other races, rather than fight eachother over who is more racist.

    … Not that I’m complaining. Having racists kill other racists makes it easier to fight against the groups that remain. Both groups of racists deserve to be put down. Not that I have the ability, capability, opportunity nor motivation to do that work myself… I’m just not going to complain when one group kills the other, and the first group ends up in jail for life because of it. Honestly, that’s an absolute win IMO.

    • petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      6·
      7 hours ago

      Authoritarians, which are not unrelated to racism, if left alone, will start stripping rights from each other. In a spherical cow sense, they can’t really bond with each other because they fundamentally hate other people, like as a concept. This is also sorta why their social media sites never take off.

      • MystikIncarnate@lemmy.caEnglish
        2·
        3 hours ago

        I generally hate people. I don’t want to be authoritative over anyone. I don’t want the responsibility.

        • n0respect@lemmy.world
          2·
          2 hours ago

          I wonder if their hate is just a side effect of wanting to be superior over others. And that’s what drives their base actions.

          • petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone
            1·
            1 hour ago

            More or less, yes. It’s the satisfaction that comes from power.

            The main ingredients of fascism are fear (urgency) and a desire to reclaim a power once held, like in a birthright sense. A result of this is that the power they hold now is a result of the fear they’ve fostered, which means they quite literally cannot survive people becoming unafraid. There must always be a group of people to hate, even amongst each other, or the kingdom they’ve built vanishes.

    • GreenShimada@lemmy.world
      131·
      14 hours ago

      Edgelords that treat their racism and violence as fuel for shitposts

      vs.

      Traditional “Brick and mortar and nooses” racists

  • abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    551·
    19 hours ago

    So the one thing about fascism, especially in its late stages, is that it tends to eat itself alive. When they run out of enemies, they create enemies.

      • abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        14·
        17 hours ago

        I mean the government isn’t necessarily late stage but if the fascists are fighting over who’s the biggest fascist that means shit’s up.

        • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
          22·
          17 hours ago

          Maybe, but authoritarian regimes do often purge their ranks, and it doesn’t always mean anything significant is going down.

    • TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today
      24·
      18 hours ago

      While I agree fascist tend to indulge in self harm via factionalism, I don’t think this is really that, nor is it late stage. We’re approaching the stage where the fascist shed their traditional conservative mask and start enforcing their real ideology over the traditional conservative party.

      People forget that 4 years before the Nazi started their purge on greater German society during Kristallnacht they first purged and consolidated power in their own house during the night of the long knives.

      • grrgyle@slrpnk.net
        6·
        11 hours ago

        This is it.

        The “true believers” in neoliberal conservative values are useful to make the rightward march to increasingly reactionary politics seem proper and reasonable to anyone who isn’t paying attention.

        But when shit is about to go down those same talking heads are a liability if they aren’t cool with barely contained barbarism.

  • EldritchFemininity@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    83·
    20 hours ago

    My one consolation over finding out about this whole fight between different groups of fascists (besides the fact that the fascists are fighting each other, that’s always a net positive) is that I can refer to it as gang violence.

    Kirk was killed in a turf war between his gang and a rival gang immediately after trying to downplay mass shootings by asking “with or without gang violence?”

      • EldritchFemininity@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        9·
        9 hours ago

        His literal last words before being shot were answering the question of if he knew how many shootings there have been in the past 10 years (after blaming them on trans people one question before) with, “With or without gang violence?” Not even a second later he had a fountain of blood spurting from his neck.

    • technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      1·
      16 hours ago

      Yes you can. But nobody else will, especially not those in power, because we live in an extremely racist “culture.”

      • EldritchFemininity@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        2·
        9 hours ago

        Of course they won’t, but you can rage bait conservatives super hard with it by twisting every racist thing they say about black people being gang-bangers back on them.

  • QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works
    77·
    24 hours ago

    I didn’t even know about the Groypers till Charlie Kirk was killed by one.

    I only knew Nick Fuentes as “That guy who tried to sue Antifa” and later “The Right Winger who disavowed Trump in 2024”

    Apparently there’s controversy about him not “really” being an Incel because he had a girlfriend in high school, and he believes anything outside of being celibate is gay, because being affectionate with a woman is unmanly… and I’m like…

    “This is too much even for me.”

  • QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works
    27·
    21 hours ago

    It’s about whether you hate Jewish people the right way or not. It has nothing to do with brown people as both groups equally hate them.

    Kirk supports Israel and Fuentes and the groypers do not.

        • MehBlah@lemmy.worldEnglish
          10·
          17 hours ago

          I enjoy the use of past tense when he is mentioned. Now that we know he died by the hands of people just like him its even better. White on white. Hate on hate.

          • QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works
            22·
            17 hours ago

            Other than the fact both were white Im not sure you can say they are “just like him”. There’s some significant differences in their views even if he turns out to be a groyper.

              • QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works
                1·
                15 hours ago

                Exactly, Kirk would let my Jewish family members he but would really hope they move to Israel so they can die and Jesus return. Fuentes would outwardly hate these same family members.

            • technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com
              21·
              16 hours ago

              There’s some significant differences in their views

              lmao. Ok yeah. Deep differences between nazis and the kkk too. Real important to remember!!! \s \s \s jfc.

              • QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works
                3·
                15 hours ago

                there are difference between nazis and the KKK and you would have to be incredibly ignorant to not see them if you look for them. You dont fight brain cancer and skin cancer the same way despite both being cancers.

                • Lka1988@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                  1·
                  14 hours ago

                  Nazis hate ______ and KKK hates ______

                  Both believe white christians are a “superior race” and use fear, disinformation, and violence to make their views clear.

                  What’s the difference outside of who’s the target of their ire?

        • Zink@programming.dev
          21·
          18 hours ago

          I think they are asking you to use past tense even discussing attributes of the awful former human charlie kirk.

          I see it as a light hearted joke, but with an undertone of “but seriously fuck that guy – sorry, former guy”

  • PieMePlenty@lemmy.world
    30·
    21 hours ago

    I have a feeling the trial is going to be a cringe fest of internet memes. Lawyers explaining to the jury what 4chan and pepe is. The trial Charlie Kirk deserves.

  • LiveLM@lemmy.zipEnglish
    125·
    1 day ago

    I KNOW RIGHT???

    And people were like “oh the killer carved UWU what’s this and Helldivers 2 memes on his bullets, that’s common in Groyper circles”

    Bro are you talking aboutttttt, what do you mean???
    I just find it absurd how these niche-in-a-niche-in-a-niche communities develop and how seemingly random bits of internet culture turn into dogwhistles inside, it reaches a point where I’m just like dude, our lizard brains can’t handle the internet. We just weren’t wired to work like this, there’s no way

    • ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.worldEnglish
      16·
      22 hours ago

      seemingly random bits of internet culture turn into dogwhistles

      My favorite thing is the neonazis wearing pleated khakis. Like, the only item of clothing even nerdier than that is lederhosen.

    • HasturInYellow@lemmy.world
      471·
      1 day ago

      I really, truly, with all of my being, feel that we are reaching the end limits of what the human mind is currently able to contend with. We are so overstimulated it’s insane. We literally need to evolve our physical bodies as a species to continue living as we are or we will literally die.

        • Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          71·
          23 hours ago

          I don’t even want to bring up brain chips, there’s plenty of people who already think they have them. Imagine the psychosis.

            • GraniteM@lemmy.world
              11·
              14 hours ago

              With cigarettes, we recognized the harm that they did and in response developed a series of regulations about where they could be used, who could use them when, how they could be advertised, warning labels that had to be applied, and taxes on them to discourage use and offset the societal harm. As result we get this:

              …and this…

              The internet is a tricky one on account of it absolutely having crossover with the first amendment, but there’s got to be a conversation about its effect on mental health and what if anything can be done in response.

    • Lka1988@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      203·
      1 day ago

      I’m a grown-ass, nearly 40 year-old family man, and I fucking know what “uwu” is. These idiots think they’re “exposing the conspiracy”, when in reality anyone who has spent more than 4 seconds researching any meme would immediately recognize it.

  • zanyllama52@infosec.pubEnglish
    12·
    20 hours ago

    I don’t think I understand any of what’s being said here. Don’t know the term, don’t know the references being made in the post.

      • SLVRDRGN@lemmy.world
        19·
        18 hours ago

        In late 2022 and early 2023, the Groyper movement shifted away from its longtime position of supporting Trump and instead began promoting Kanye West’s presidential campaign.

        How does this …even fit

      • ByteOnBikes@discuss.onlineOP
        4·
        17 hours ago

        Thanks for this! I noticed when I share in detail, there’s still commenters (who get highly upvoted) that argue with what I discovered. Especially when it’s so ridiculously cartoonish like whatever this Groyper movement is.

        So I elected to share it and go, “Dog, this info is wild y’all gotta do your own research because wtf.”

        Fortunately for this one, Wikipedia has a lot of good detail about them. And in the future, I’ll remember to share those links if I spot them and they’re highly credible.

  • sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyzEnglish
    142·
    1 day ago

    If anyone’s feeling pretty hopeless about finding this out for the first time, I recommend this documentary about the cartoon frog’s creator suing Alex Jones and trying to take back his ownership over Pepe from the white power weirdos. It’s very uplifting and the artist is a pretty likable guy.