• M500@lemmy.ml
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    I was just thinking about why many things on Linux are better. Like the install process on Linux is years ahead of windows.

    Then it occurred to me that windows only improves things that can make them money. If you need to install windows, then you can deal with the crappy installer.

    Linux devs improve the parts they think need to be better. The decisions are not guided by money and can be made without bias.

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      Now that you’ve got the idea apply it to everything in capitalist society. Especially if something is owned by shareholders.

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      Most people don’t install windows. It comes pre installed on something they bought. Microsoft probably puts more time into automating the process.

      Also, last time I installed windows it was a breeze. I haven’t installed Linux in at least a decade, so I can’t speak for that.

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        Try installing debian some time, the installer makes windows’ installer feel like its for a piece of software you got of a sketchy site that wants to install 16 other things not even related to it

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      Sounds like the decisions about what to make, how to make it and for whom to make it are done by the people doing the work. 🤔🫢

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      Linux devs improve the parts they think need to be better. The decisions are not guided by money and can be made without bias.

      Sounds pretty communist

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      The install process on windows is clicking a few buttons.

      For the vast majority of users it’s a way better experience.

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        From my experience(installing windows 10, 11, linux mint and nobara), installing linux is way easier than installing windows

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        The install process on windows is clicking a few buttons.

        That’s the default tracking experience, if you fall for all the dark patterns. Was a while ago, hunh?

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          There’s that one screen where you disable telemetry, which I’ve always consider a part of the install process, but is there anything malicious other than that? The process as a whole is quite straightforward in my experience.

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    Microsoft loves open source nowadays.

    People do a huge amount of their work for free.

    They’re also heavily invested in Linux for the cloud. So any work done there helps them.

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      With Microsoft, any love shown could well be the Embrace part of the strategy that will lead to Extend and then Extinguish just as soon as they can figure those parts out. They might already have a plan.

      The fact they’ve been able to turn things to their advantage so far does not mean they don’t have such a plan. Or won’t ever have one.

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          In the 90s, Microsoft was pure evil. Now they are the “good guys.” Late 90s early 2000s, Google was the good guys, now they are evil. So the pendulum of perception swings.

          Funny how all these folks embrace Linux on the cloud side. I don’t think they’ll be able to extinguish that. If they do manage to, they will be shooting them selves in the foot.

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            Never trust a corporation. It will almost always do whatever makes the most money for C-levels, shareholders and end-of-year profits, and when it doesn’t, we should be even more wary of its actions. Occasionally these unspecified actions and choices align with the preferences of people outside the corporation and this makes the corporation “one of the good guys” for a while.

            Corporations have no right to complain about being called out on this. In fact, they’d do better to acknowledge it. All it needs is one change of CEO and the whole corporation can change direction in a heartbeat. Twitter is an example of this.

            Also see: The fable of the scorp(orat)ion and the frog.

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        Seems unlikely with how they work now. You also can’t really extinguish foss.

        .Net is cross platform and open source as well now.

        Maybe if Linux becomes a competitor in the desktop market. But I don’t see that happening any time soon.

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    When the program is free, it’s socialism. The more free the program is, the more socialism it is. When the source is free, it’s communism.

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      Ironically, the freer the source, the less communism.

      GPL: our source is free and yours must be too.
      BSD/MIT: our source is free and you can’t blame us.
      Public domain: do whatever the hell you want.

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        You’ve obviously never read anything about communism or socialism.

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          But where are the good outcomes of communism? I agree that communism is terrible does not make much sense as a general statement.

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            There are a lot of benefits to it, like no real central leadership (more like central steering, not really iron fisted dictators which is what most implementations of it turned out to be), abolishing the monetary system (if implemented all the way), communes decide for themselves, good free healthcare, people are at the center of the system, not money/profit, etc.

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                Abolishing money is a very gradual process, not an immediate one. In lower stages, Labor Vouchers would be paid, and these represent an hour of labor. The difference is that labor Vouchers are destroyed upon first use.

                Secondly, difficult, unpleasant, or otherwise undesirable labor would either be paid at a higher ratio, or require less labor per week to make the same amount of labor Vouchers. Alternatively, these dirty jobs may require rotation, so nobody is stuck working them. There are many ways of handling this, with more proposals than you would expect.

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                  So labor vouchers are money that give special treatment to people who do undesirable tasks? Or are they forced upon people at random, like a temporary forced labor lottery?

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                That requires a different mindset and (maybe) a different level of eveolution. Food is free, you take what you need. Services are free, if your house needs something fixed, you call the adequate people, they do the job, that’s it. Same for healthcare, you just go to the doctor, no bill, you just leave (we used to have that around here). Tech products are free, you take what you need (TV, stereo, phone, PC, etc.). You go to work and do the same as everyone else, do your job and go home.

                This is a very simplified version and as I said, it requires a different mindset. We’re not used to that right now, it’s alien to us.

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                  You have to put someone in charge of distributing the goods and services, set laws to make interactions between parties fair, and divy up resources, and remove/rehabilitate criminals, and that inherently creates a power imbalance. How do you suggest we keep the leaders beholden to the governed in this system so they dont abuse this power?

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          Oh come on, that is such a lazy argument. I suppose you’re an economics PhD then?

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            If you’re going to debate a topic - and especially if you’re going to make such a bold claim - you have a duty to learn and understand the topic you are debating.

            You’ve neglected that duty.

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              Again, a lazy statement. You’re supposing that I don’t know a thing because I don’t agree with you. That is a wrong supposition altogether, certainly some sort of a logical fallacy, and also, most importantly, this is linuxmemes, sir.

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                Derail the conversation… OK, now I know you’re just parroting what others have told you all your life.

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                  A new person comes to join the lazy statement club. Welcome! If you think I should take you folks seriously, however, perhaps you should try forming actual arguments.

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            Communism and socialism are primarily social orders, not economic ones. Yes, there must be an economic order in place, but as a derivative of the social order, to serve the social order and make it better, to grow and mature. That is not the case with democracy and capitalism.

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        Optional communalism I say, when you learn to cook, clean, or use a toilet, that’s communalism, you didn’t teach yourself and you didn’t pay by wiping your own arse.

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    Talk shit on FOSS, by comparing it to communism like it’s a bad thing, on Lemmy.

    Now there’s a message this place will love, lol.

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        Of course, and it’s an old image too, but it still amused me thinking of the contrast between the message and the current audience.

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          There isn’t, the message itself is satire. The audience is precisely who the message is for, it’s making fun of Microsoft comparing FOSS to Communism, parodying red scare propaganda.

          Unless I’m misunderstanding you, of course.

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      it seems like a pro-communist programming message to me. the red dude looks super cool and supportive.

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        Yeah, he’s probably giving mad tips to the dev and he looks happy, so we know the red dude is not just a dickhead.

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    Holy shit, this is an old old meme. This image has got to be at least 25 years old

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      This is a photoshop, the original from Modern Humorist said something like “when you download MP3s, you’re downloading communism” and it was attributed to the RIAA instead of Microsoft.

      Source: I owned the print of this a couple decades ago, and you can probably find Modern Humorist on archive.org

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    Ah, the late 1900s when you could still pretend that Apple was the choice of the counterculture for no credible reason except for Apple marketing. Slacktivism, my dude. Worthless.

    This meme is truly ancient. I bet those little iMacs go for a pretty penny on eBay now after everyone tossed them in the garbage circa 2003.