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Starfleet commandeers the Enterprise for an alien pursuit that grows far beyond its original orders.

Written by: Alan B. McElroy

Directed by: Sharon Lewis

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    48 minutes ago

    SMW actually makes a Star Trek episode! I’ve heard this described as the best episode of Star Trek for 20 years. I think I agree.

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    Definitely enjoyed this one. It was fun seeing Kirk doing what he does best and following his gut no matter the cost. Been really enjoying Paul Wesley on this.

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    7 hours ago

    Good episode. I didn’t think they needed to drug the admiral - there were already emotional (family) and experience (Kirk snr actually being in command at that earlier battle) factors that could been used as kindling for a breakdown.

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    16 hours ago

    Just got to watch this week’s. It was all right, I guess, compared to most of the rest of the season. My best praise is it was good enough to make me forego head-desking that they found yet another reason to get Kirk aboard the Enterprise for a story about him.

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      12 hours ago

      Actually the more I ponder it, the more it stops holding up and I don’t really care for it.

      • The show really undercuts Kirk (IMHO) by having his plan be 1) risk killing himself by accident by hiding amid the radioactive phaser whatever it was to establish a bluff, and then spike his CO’s drink with a high potency drug he only just learned of and he shouldn’t be playing around with because, I don’t know, he’s not a doctor. This is smarter and better for the character than showing us Kirk staking out the moral high ground, standing that ground, and finding another resolution?
      • M’Benga deciding to not only go along for the ride on this but take the blame doesn’t do him any favors either. I know they’re setting up M’Benga’s departure to mesh with TOS, but if this story went “M’Benga takes the moral stand and relieves him even though maybe Starfleet won’t support that stance after the fact” that would have been a stronger character point too.
      • Really, while this sets up “M’Benga will wind up departing but Kirk will be cool with him coming back later in TOS because he knows the true story”, the idea that M’Benga is allowed to stay in Starfleet after admitting to drugging his CO to have an excuse to relieve him of duty is kind of wild. Or at least how that came to pass would be a good story (that we’ll never see).
      • Watching this again, I hear Picard saying Starfleet’s first duty is to the truth and wondering when exactly Starfleet got there, because it’s sure not in this episode.
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        1. I felt that Kirk was trying to sabotage the phasers and didn’t have enough time or know how. Failing all other options then bluffing feels like textbook Kirk. We know how potent a full vial of cordrazine can be several years down the road. In the story, Kirk doesn’t know, he gave it his best guess, not a first or last for Star Trek. The drug twist was unexpected but I think makes sense. It’s not simply a Decker situation with a higher-ranking officer, but someone with a “reality distortion field” of myth and flattery Kirk has to prove without a doubt is unsound to a crew he doesn’t have a strong relationship with.
        2. We really don’t know where M’Benga’s story is going. We know he’s on the Enterprise in some capacity in 2268 but there are any number of things that can happen after SNW or before TOS to explain this. SNW is also going to have to put McCoy on the Enterprise theoretically before his first appearance in 2266. So Dr. Piper might have to be addressed as well.
        3. I think M’Benga is in a better spot than Number One was at the start of season two. It’s implied Reeger was removed from command deliberately, so a “Caine Mutiny” result in a trial wouldn’t be unexpected.
        4. I haven’t been able to find in canon where “truth” is an officially stated tenant of Starfleet. We can presume it’s woven into the culture, but for Picard it seems personal, and that whole monologue was specifically used to provoke a feeling of integrity and guilt within Wesley so he would do the right thing. A soft recurring theme in SNW has been that written history doesn’t contain the full dimension or truth of a moment. Logs can have details ommitted, but those logs become the history that is lionized for individuals like Picard, Janeway, Boimler, etc.
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    21 hours ago

    Wow, actually exploring a Strange New World for a bit.

    The intro came in really late this one. Ten minutes? Long opening, but then again it’s a longer episode.

    Oh snap, an Andorian episode. I love Andorian episodes.

    Was that the countdown sound from Independence day?

    Overall liked this episode. It was a feeling similar to that Spongebob episode where the customers go “that’s what we’ve been waiting for!” A classic Star Trek moral quandary orders vs Badmiral deal.

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    22 hours ago

    I was internally screaming “somebody do something!” this whole episode. This was a great episode. My emotions were all over the place. I don’t quite understand why the admiral at the end kept acting like he could end Kirk and then M’Benga’s career. He just admitted to forging logs. What was everybody else’s take on that situation? I can’t imagine the Enterprise officers are also going to keep quiet about what happened on the Constitution.

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      7 hours ago

      The soundtrack was really outstanding wasn’t it? There were several points where I was like, oh damn, this moment has some weight to it, thanks to the music!

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    I really enjoyed this one. The core moral dilemma of orders versus morals, captured in a strong A story and a decent B story. Genuine character growth, and an out for M’Benga that made sense, was in character, and felt justified. The direction was really nice, it captured the tense nature of the episode. The treknobabble for the A plot was pretty decent, and in the B plot I enjoyed the cave set - it felt used and full, not bare like they sometimes do. I really enjoyed the acting here - the Andorian leader gave me a hint of cardassian in his analytical takedown of humans, and the badmiral was really enjoyable from his upbeat arrival to steady decline into madness. The two Kirks getting along really well was enjoyable, and the synchronised walk and talk at the end was a nice way to wrap up the episode.

    From this season’s approach, I’m guessing this episode drawing from old war films, in particular I am getting flavours of submarine hunts, chasing after wakes, and handling big questions of WMDs, the sanity of the chain of command. This is exactly the way I like those references embedded, allowing the trek to shine through, rather than the gimmick taking over.

    My only immediate quibble in this episode was when Uhura went Rambo in the caves, it did feel like the Andorians went down a little easy, but I wasn’t that bothered by it. A’Sha leaving is fine, I guess, she didn’t feel very present throughout the season anyway.

    Please, more of this type of episode.

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      I’m guessing this episode drawing from old war films, in particular I am getting flavours of submarine hunts, chasing after wakes, and handling big questions of WMDs, the sanity of the chain of command.

      Maybe it’s just because the writers of the (alleged) next Trek film have been talking about it, but I did think of “Crimson Tide” several times during this one.

      A’Sha leaving is fine, I guess, she didn’t feel very present throughout the season anyway.

      I can’t help but think there’s still more to come with her - they haven’t dropped her off yet, after all. Something about it seems unfinished, somehow.

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        7 hours ago

        I enter the discussion post after watching the episode, did a Ctrl+F to Crimson Tide and I see I’m not the only one thinking about it.

        As soon in the episode as the Admiral says, “Here there is only one voice, mine” or something like that I knew they were ripping off the plot of Crimson Tide, and I was not wrong.

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          6 hours ago

          I think an important difference is the characters’ motivations, though - for Reeger, it’s personal, while Ramsey in “Crimson Tide” is merely hawkish and reckless.

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            while Ramsey in “Crimson Tide” is merely hawkish and reckless.

            I have to disagree, Ramsey (Gene Hackman) in “Crimson Tide” gives during all the confrontation scenes a very good arguments about why they have to launch, for me as good as Denzel Washington character ones. He is hawkish and violent, but even at the end he says, let’s sit down and see who is right. He was acting on good conscience even if his position was brutal and could cause a World War. That’s why his character is so good, because his motivations were right.

            Here the Admiral is never right, he is just looking for revenge, even if he denies it, until is drugged. That’s why the episode pales in comparison, because there is someone who is right and someone who is not. Yeah, we still maybe have to see that mysterious cloacking ship again, and then maybe someone, Kirk, can feel some remorse, but I don’t think so. He did the right thing, everybody knows

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        Maybe she was an undercover romulan, sent to report if enterprise go too close to finding the cloaked ship, and now that Reeger is likely no longer a threat, and enterprise probably isn’t going to want to follow up, her job’s done so she’s off.

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    A pretty good episode that got a lot more interesting in the final act.

    For the most part, it came off as a story that we’ve seen before, albeit a well-told one. But the reveal that Kirk drugged Reeger in order to make him unfit for commend is a genuinely compelling idea, as is the idea that M’Benga just torpedoed his career to cover it up.

    The B-plot was decent, too - it was good to see Uhura do some ass-kicking.

    They sure do like to talk about the Klingon War as if it’s ancient history when it only ended about five years ago, though.

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      M’Benga covering for Kirk is really good, I like that the setup for this was laid a couple of episodes ago. Kirk fighting on behalf of the crew to keep them from doing war crimes - it shows the level of camaraderie this crew has, which admiral reeger likely never experienced, and helps continue to cement Kirk as a member of the enterprise.

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        It also lays a foundation for his actions to (arguably) come back to bite him in the ass in “Balance of Terror,” when (presumably) the same Romulan ship reappears and starts wiping out colonies. I’ll leave it up for debate whether this is a good thing.