I wouldn’t say specifically police, but society needs rules and methods to enforce those rules. People WILL do whatever the fuck they want no matter how much it hurts other people even when there are supposed to be rules (Epstein, companies causing climate change, general pollution, embezzlement, etc…)
Just imagine what people would be doing if there were no rules or enforcement at all… I don’t even think a society would be able to exist amongst the chaos.
Yeah, the ACAB people really have a giant, gaping hole in their philosophy if we consider Epstein and his associates. Like, what would they prefer happen to these people in their ideal world…? That an angry mob just shows up at their doorstep and beats them to death?
And that’s the obvious issue (just remember how many times the reddit geniuses “cracked the case” only to be completely wrong about everything).
Who does the work of tracking them down to arrest them - they are super rich, they have the ability to go to any number of locations and live comfortably indefinitely. You need people to find and question associates, perform wiretaps and search known residences and properties, trace bank accounts, and file extradition paperwork. And in any reasonable society, we don’t want mobs to be able to do this on a whim to anyone they feel like, so at the very least we need a legal system to assess and issue warrants for these things.
Then suppose you track them down, and they are living in a mansion in some remote part of Jamaica. Who goes to arrest them? A Jamaican angry mob? Or is an American angry mob going to book a bunch of plane tickets? When they get to the front door, how are they going to handle the concrete walls, iron gates, and private security guards - possibly armed with military-grade firearms?
Suppose the suspect gives chase in an automobile - do you now have the mob jump in their personal cars to chase after them, trying to coordinate via cheap walmart walkie talkies and performing pit maneuvers like they saw on TV?
And then suppose the mob somehow manages to catch them. But maybe we decided we don’t want to be quite so barbaric as beating people to death on the streets - if for no other reason than the fact that we are often wrong about the guilt of particular people. So we arrest them and they are awaiting trial. Great. Where? Some random person’s house? In the stocks in the town square?
Our current law enforcement system exists because it solves problems that we have faced in the past. That doesn’t mean that it is perfect or that no parts of it should be questioned - but if your solution to problems in the law enforcement system is “end all law enforcement”, then you are, quite frankly, living in a childish fantasy land. You may as well say that the solution to law enforcement problems is to mount all cops on unicorns and have them shoot everyone with love-and-friendship rays.
They don’t consider that at all. Because they’d have to consider that maybe they are one of the problematic people…
Anyone of an extremist position typically never considers the possibility of themselves being the victim of themselves. Because if you agree with them you are automatically good person…
Which is precisely how cult leaders get away with their horrific abuses of their members. The narrative becomes ‘anything I do is justified because I am good and all things I do are good’.
To my knowledge it’s currently illegal to be a vigilante, but if it were made legal that could be a non-cop solution. There would need to be a lot of thought and guardrails put into that though, more so than what I’m capable of. I’m generally pessimistic and lean slightly misanthropic lol
I wouldn’t say specifically police, but society needs rules and methods to enforce those rules. People WILL do whatever the fuck they want no matter how much it hurts other people even when there are supposed to be rules (Epstein, companies causing climate change, general pollution, embezzlement, etc…)
Just imagine what people would be doing if there were no rules or enforcement at all… I don’t even think a society would be able to exist amongst the chaos.
Shitty people just ruin it for the rest of us.
Yeah, the ACAB people really have a giant, gaping hole in their philosophy if we consider Epstein and his associates. Like, what would they prefer happen to these people in their ideal world…? That an angry mob just shows up at their doorstep and beats them to death?
And how often is that angry mob going to get the right person?
And that’s the obvious issue (just remember how many times the reddit geniuses “cracked the case” only to be completely wrong about everything).
Who does the work of tracking them down to arrest them - they are super rich, they have the ability to go to any number of locations and live comfortably indefinitely. You need people to find and question associates, perform wiretaps and search known residences and properties, trace bank accounts, and file extradition paperwork. And in any reasonable society, we don’t want mobs to be able to do this on a whim to anyone they feel like, so at the very least we need a legal system to assess and issue warrants for these things.
Then suppose you track them down, and they are living in a mansion in some remote part of Jamaica. Who goes to arrest them? A Jamaican angry mob? Or is an American angry mob going to book a bunch of plane tickets? When they get to the front door, how are they going to handle the concrete walls, iron gates, and private security guards - possibly armed with military-grade firearms?
Suppose the suspect gives chase in an automobile - do you now have the mob jump in their personal cars to chase after them, trying to coordinate via cheap walmart walkie talkies and performing pit maneuvers like they saw on TV?
And then suppose the mob somehow manages to catch them. But maybe we decided we don’t want to be quite so barbaric as beating people to death on the streets - if for no other reason than the fact that we are often wrong about the guilt of particular people. So we arrest them and they are awaiting trial. Great. Where? Some random person’s house? In the stocks in the town square?
Our current law enforcement system exists because it solves problems that we have faced in the past. That doesn’t mean that it is perfect or that no parts of it should be questioned - but if your solution to problems in the law enforcement system is “end all law enforcement”, then you are, quite frankly, living in a childish fantasy land. You may as well say that the solution to law enforcement problems is to mount all cops on unicorns and have them shoot everyone with love-and-friendship rays.
They don’t consider that at all. Because they’d have to consider that maybe they are one of the problematic people…
Anyone of an extremist position typically never considers the possibility of themselves being the victim of themselves. Because if you agree with them you are automatically good person…
Which is precisely how cult leaders get away with their horrific abuses of their members. The narrative becomes ‘anything I do is justified because I am good and all things I do are good’.
Universal public access surveillance and arming everybody is one non-cop option.
To my knowledge it’s currently illegal to be a vigilante, but if it were made legal that could be a non-cop solution. There would need to be a lot of thought and guardrails put into that though, more so than what I’m capable of. I’m generally pessimistic and lean slightly misanthropic lol