So, lets say we get to August or some summer month, and 4,000,000 people are protesting right out front the white house.

Do they send in the tanks? Do they kill 1,000,000 people? Would republican civilians see empathy for the dead americans who were democrats? Or would it unite the nation like 9/11 did, except this time against the government?

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    “Would republican civilians see empathy for the dead americans who were democrats?”

    You mean a couple hundred paid agitators that were bussed up from asylums in south America?

    Because that’s the story your average republican voters would believe. I know it’s a bit hyperbolic but some of the shit I’ve heard them say about Mrs Good, and in general about the current protests leads me to feel that there is no limit to the lies an average republican voter is willing to suck down.

    All that said I do not believe the military would follow those orders, but I’m not sure they would interfere if the DOJ started killing protesters in front of them.

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    The other night, I was eating lunch at my desk, in our small open office. The IT guy and one of the robot techs were debating whether the summary execution of Alex Pretti was justified. IT guy believes the government’s version of events, suggesting that Alex brandished his firearm (which is patently false). They openly support the state’s murder, and further, encourage it. It might be a bit difficult to get them to go along with a massacre, but they’ve already been walked through 2 murders, and are primed for more.

    Would something like this ever happen? Hope not. But if it does, god help us all.

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      Do you think they care? Dude they’re shooting unarmed women in the face in broad daylight in front of thousands of witnesses and on video.

      And just imagine, the heartless coward that did it isn’t facing charges and gets to lie down in his own bed every night and walk up the next day.

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      Too many people recorded the murders of Renee Good and Alex Pretti for them to control the narrative, but all that happened was that one guy got demoted.

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        It is building political pressure against them, they’re very clearly uncomfy within the administration. It may not directly fix all our fucked up shit but the admin blinked for the first time this cycle when it was looking increasingly likely that they had no limit and we were headed straight for a police state.

        We survived last time by keeping them consistently on the defensive and for the first time we’ve managed to control the narrative again

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    The orange regime kinda tried to do that in the first stint, and I would not be super shocked if they tried and actually did something like that nowadays. But it would also probably trigger widespread riots, if not outright rebellion in a lot of places.

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      Trump wanted to literally bomb protestors last term. There is some report on a call where he wanted to do it. Just drop a missile on them.

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      People have been calling U.S Americans dumb cunts for decades, Trump is the embodiment of the U.S.A as viewed by outsiders.

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    Look into US involvement with the Tlatelolco massacre. It was effectively order by the US. If they are willing to do that to someone else they will eventually be willing to do that to you. The death count you see on wikipedia is almost certainly an understatement they locked them in a square and shot at them like fish in a barrel

    The Olympia Battalion members wore white gloves or white handkerchiefs tied to their left hands to distinguish themselves from the civilians and prevent the soldiers from shooting them

    Captain Ernesto Morales Soto stated that “immediately upon sighting a flare in the sky, the prearranged signal, we were to seal off the aforementioned two entrances and prevent anyone from entering or leaving.”

    The soldiers responded by firing into the nearby buildings and into the crowd, hitting not only the protesters, but also watchers and bystanders. Demonstrators and passersby alike, including students, journalists (including Italian reporter Oriana Fallaci), and children, were hit by bullets, and mounds of bodies soon lay on the ground.

    Olympia Battalion members pushed people and ordered them to lie on the ground near the elevator walls. People claim these men were the people who shot first at the soldiers and the crowd.

    Video evidence also points out that at least two companies of the Olympia Battalion hid themselves in the nearby apartment buildings and set up a machine gun in an apartment in the Molino del Rey Building

    Thousands of students gathered in the square and, as you say, the government version is that the students opened fire. Well, there’s been pretty clear evidence now that there was a unit that was called the Brigada Olímpica, or the Olympic Brigade, that was made up of special forces of the presidential guard, who opened fire from the buildings that surrounded the square, and that that was the thing that provoked the massacre.

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    Do they send in the tanks?

    They don’t need to. The situation is so fundamentally different.

    (Not saying that they wouldn’t, because lunatics everywhere)

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    First of all, I don’t think the Anerican military would follow that order. Shooting supposed drug smugglers illegally and shooting your neighbors illegally are two different kettle of fish for us humans who want to belong to sonething.

    They would have to turn off the internet including satellites and then destroy all camera capable gadgets, maybe with an EMP. I think this is too much hassle. There won’t be a Tiananmen Sq in the US. The Chinese could control the narrative internally and didn’t give af about the rest of the world - in 1989. As we see in Iran today, the world is but a village and footage travels fast. The risk is too high.

    But keep looking at ICE or “proud” militias. I would not be surprised to hear about these bastards sniping at protest leaders or even rando participants to discourage more protests. Look for fat guys on roofs.

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      I don’t think the Anerican military would follow that order.

      Of course they wouldn’t. Because Americans are exceptional, unlike those soulless Chinese bugmen.

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        I concur. They have already done illegal things. There will be some who will.

        Blowing up innocent fishermen boats and killing off the survivors.

        Stealing oil tankers. Kidnapping a leader of another country.

        Oh. Yeah. They would absolutely kill Americans.

        There is enough of them.

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    It’s honestly hard to say.

    Doing it today? Probably no. Communication isn’t nearly as censored as it was in 1989 China.

    However there’s 2 possible ways I could see a “yes”.

    1. If the fascists are able to remain in power long enough too reach that level of censorship.
    2. If they’re simply just that god damn stupid, which I’ve seen little to no evidence to suggest they aren’t that stupid.
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    Yes. Yes they would. Only it would be different as they’d need to have thousands of babies and kittens to fill up the empty spaces before they crushed them to death, as trump’s pathetic little ego can’t fathom being compared to someone- he has to beat them.

    So yeah… What deplorable acts China did would be dwarfed by this fascist if given the chance. And I guarantee you that he wants that chance.

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    If you have that many people they can just knock them out. This is what should have happened a year ago.