One of the levels this joke works on is that ducks and dogs and fish and birds are all among the best adapter to their own niche.
Some people just need what Microslop, Apple or Google aree peddling, at some moments.
Another way the joke works is because Linux is still the best, for anyone with a choice. Lol.
The updates are unwelcome because currently the updates remove desirable functionality while adding unwanted functionality. If they removed the ads and AI, they might actually stop the bleeding.
i’ve used linux and i got to say it’s gotten way better than it was a few years ago. most of the stuff works and only had to troubleshoot like a few times
I’m convinced I would need to do a lot more troubleshooting on windows nowadays. Just turning off all the AI is probably a pain in the ass.
“Unified Package format” sadge
Obscurething.so not found. You can’t get it either, it’s unmaintained and doesn’t work with anything anymore.
Linux has this problem too. Stop pretending it doesn’t. Everything sucks for different reasons. You are choosing the trades you are willing to make.
Yes. Linux can be frustrating too.
Your post history indicates you’re pushing Linux in some (very!) interesting directions, and impatient for it to work. Linux is (usually) free, and free Linux solutions do move at the pace of free.
I get it, it can be frustrating.
It comes across as entitled to be angry at others for enjoying how nice a stock install of Linux Mint can be, while you’re fighting to get Steam to recognize controllers on headless Fedora.
Heck, I haven’t seen a headless release of Mac or Windows in almost 30 years? I guess I could get my hands on a relatively new headless Windows Server edition meant for automated testing…maybe?
I’m curious if there’s a community doing what you’re doing on some other OS? It all sounds fascinating, honestly. Any links to resources would be welcome.
Anyway. What you’re up to sounds hard and interesting! I hope you will share your solutions with the community!
Linux is a community, and when you’re doing something really interesting, there may not be many members of the community doing the same thing, yet.
Lots of people surf the web and check email, and yes, we’re having a moment, because many versions of Linux are really nice for surfing the web and checking email, finally.
Linux really doesn’t get bragging rights for “install[ing] old applications”. Linux ironically has been somewhat better for me than Windows for running older Windows applications thanks to WINE, but when it comes to installing old Linux applications, even when I wasn’t on a rolling release distro, it’s been a total crapshoot.
If, for example, there’s a native Linux game that hasn’t been updated in a few years, my experience buying it has generally been hoping the Linux version works, it doesn’t, and I’m stuck running it through WINE.
PCSX2 1.6.0, which used wxWidgets, released May 2020, and even five years after that, opening it on Linux shows you a frozen, unusable window that you have to manually kill. (citing PCSX2 because it’s a use case of mine as a contributor.) IIIRC, on Windows, you can straight-up go back to versions from like 2010 and still have them work.
The linux way to handle it is with a
chroot. Used to do this back in the day to get 32bit libraries on a 64bit distro that didn’t include 32bit libraries.chrootis the basis for modern containerization technologies. These days, I usually use it for bleeding edge application builds that don’t have a build for my distro, yet. Distrobox makes it pretty simple. With distrobox, you can install the application you need in the OS that supports the application you want, then just map the binary into your OS.See here: https://distrobox.it/useful_tips/#export-to-the-host
Just fyi containers use
pivot_rootnotchrootIsn’t that functionally what a flatpak is?
Same concept. Flatpak is based on bubblewrap, which was based off another tool that was based on chroot.
Edit: Looks like Flatpak is working towards adopting a different (newer) feature that allows some containerization features at the user level, without requiring chroot super user level.
usually the solution is recompiling it, LD_PRELOADing older libraries or using chroot. Since linus never breaks userspace this can actually provide 100% compatibility.
The reason this is a problem is that devs think they need to save 10MB of RAM by dynamically linking libc instead of statically compiling it or just including the blob with the game.
Puritans on Linux are a real menace. Every time someone calls an OS install image of 3-4gb “bloated” I want to scream uncontrollably. Not statically linking stuff is part of this cultural issue.
Flatpak might solves these issues in the long run. Of course the same people therefore hate it, because it’s “bloated” and “convoluted”.
<rant> How dare we have different versions of the same lib! Where will we end up, like MS Windows? Where I can boot up apps as old as myself? Outrageous! Not my precious mibibytes!). </rant>
The core principal of GNU from which every other principal is derived is “I shouldn’t need an ancient unmaintained printer driver that only works on windows 95 to use my god damned printer. I should have the source code so I can adapt it to work with my smart toaster”
If an app is open source then I’ve almost never encountered a situation where I can’t build a working version. Its happened to me once that I remember. A synthesia clone called linthesia. Would not compile for love nor money and the provided binary was built for ubuntu 12 or something.
Linux was probably ready for the 64-bit appocalypse even before Apple for this exact reason. Anything open source will just run, on anything, because some hobbiest has wanted to use it on their favourite platform at some point. And if not, you’d be surprised how not hard it is to checkout the sourcecode from github and make your own port. Difficult, but far from impossible.
Steam games do not distribute source code, which means they break, and when they break the community can’t fix them. They can’t statically link glibc because that would put them in violation of the GPL (as far as I’m aware anyway). They are fundamentally second class citizens on linux because they refuse to embrace its culture. FOSS apps basically never die while there’s someone to maintain them.
Its like when American companies come to Europe and realise the workers have rights and then get a reputation as scuzzballs for trying to rules lawyer those rights.
What, you don’t like role-playing software development & distribution as if we were still in the 90s?? 🥺🥺 /j
But srs, most of Linux’s biggest technical problems are either caused by cultural legacy or blocked by it. The distribution model being one of the most pungent examples.
I really think its just not that common. There are ways to do this for the few and not pollute the OS for the many. Steam does it for their use case. If it were a more common of a need, then I would expect distro maintainers to take care of it. The same way they did for 32bit libraries back in the day. When is the last time you had to install a 32bit distro along side your 64bit distro so you could run 32bit applications? Sometimes I need a bleeding edge build of an application. I run a stable distro. So build the application myself or install a quick chroot These days there is distrobox that makes it even easier. There are solutions. Easy from my perspective. That’s why I think, if this was such a common need, distro maintainers would provide a simple solution (automatically done for you).
This hasn’t been a problem for a decade or two, but I see drive costs inflate immensely, I wonder how it will impact how “bloat” is processed. Not everyone has infinite access to storage. BTRFS and other fs dedup features may be an acceptable work around, but I don’t know flatpacks structure enough to know if they can benefit from it.
Linux version of Rocket League still works but you can’t connect to the servers. They stopped supporting Linux when Epic bought them in 2019. So going on 7 years and the Linux version still works fine. Just as a counterpoint.
Yeah, I found quite a few games that I had to go in and specify it re-download and use Proton because the Linux native build was borked.
In a lot of cases devs will export for Linux but not test it.
I can’t stop you from breaking the whole system when you try to configure something and you do it wrong 😅
That’s the burden of assuming the operator is a person capable of understanding the consequences of their actions.
looks at the camera
“When will you learn!!! When will you learn that YOUR ACTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES!!!”
Uncle Ben taught me the hard way, through his nephew, Peter. I was still a kid, but I knew: big power, big responsibility.
Uncle Ben taught me to add 2 cups of water to 1 cup of rice and microwave for 15 minutes.
Uncle Ben taught me how to grow mushrooms
If you’re capable of that you should be capable to use something like Snapper.
Remove le French at once I say!!
cccommand my beloved.You can delay Windows updates up to 30 days at a time, and do that indefinitely. Or just black hole the update server in your hosts file to disable updates entirely.
There are also ways to not download updates until a certain amount of time after their release, and then to give yourself something like two weeks before it auto installs during a period when the computer is not in active use.
I haven’t had an update happen unexpectedly since Vista.
And lets be real, do we really want to just let the average chucklefuck run around with insecure shit? There’s an element of protecting people from themselves going on here as well.
The point is there shouldn’t have to be a work around, reg hack or host file modification. I should be allowed to do with my computer what I want. I agree it should be on by default, but, there should be an easy no/off switch.
I think they should not push updates that constantly break shit and introduce AI into everything, maybe then people would not mind the windows updates.
But where’s the fun in that, right? Gotta get people to switch to Linux somehow and I appreciate their effort.
Wanna remove the only way to boot into the computer? Go ahead, you are in control. But sure hope you have a baxkup boot loader somewhere lol
Wanna remove the only way to boot into the computer?
That example is particularly on point, since I’ve done it (removed by boot bits - oops!) for a few of these, and each time I used a Linux Live boot CD to recover.
Even if I needed some other tool to repair things, the Linux Live CD went in first to do some backups.
Fine with that. I don’t like my shit telling me “primalmotion, I’m afraid I can’t do that”
“primalmotion, I’m afraid I can’t do that”
“sudo go kill yourself, you smarmy little shit”
Linux distros: 🫡
Just don’t do that then
Oh Windows did mess with me a gazillion times in 2000s, when I was a poor kid with just one HDD, and tried to dual boot.
The amount of times that me as a teenager had to call the computer shop after the OS being unusable because I was messing around was insane. They eventually just gave me the pirated copies of everything so I could reinstall stuff on my own. I really don’t miss the times of using windows and the constant reinstalls and breakage it had.
You can add to the dog “I support a global a global human trafficking and child rape network.”
Moreso than the Apple dude?
And the Google dudes too?
They’re all the same: billionaires.
That smile is devious xD
“I can’t do HDR”
Salty winslop user detected
I’m reading this on my hdr monitor on linux
And are you actually using the HDR features? Most can be run fine in SDR mode.
I have none of these problems on Windows.
I control when updates happen, I just ran Microsoft Mappoint 2006 on Windows 10 using a VM, in Unity mode so you don’t even know it’s in a VM. Virtual PC had this same feature 20 years ago. And Windows now ships with Hyper-V on every version, so you don’t even need a separate virtualization app.
These are all problems of people accepting defaults.
Spend as much time tinkering with Windows as you do Linux to run Windows apps and it’s fine.
Windows update never interferes with my work - it updates when I choose to update.
Apple is the worst, by a long shot, for not letting you use old apps for no good reason.
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Welcome to Lemmy, where people aren’t willing to even try to get Windows to work for them, but are absolutely convinced they know exactly how it works.
I’ve had conversations here where I’ve led with the fact that I’ve got a decade of experience in IT and sysadmin in a Windows environment, had someone insist I was wrong about some configurable functionality, and they ended up admitting they hadn’t touched Windows in a decade.
People running wild with complete ass pull speculation about how stuff like OneDrive functions instead of taking 30 seconds to do a search on their engine of choice.
I had someone insist that the handwriting and typing analysis feature was a full on keylogger capturing all input including passwords across every program on the whole damn OS, then tell me I wasn’t researching right because 100 articles with the same copy pasted clickbait headline and instructions for how to turn off the feature but no actual source for the keylogging claim does not make fucking truth. The other commentor kept hiding behind a piss poor excuse of not being willing to spoonfeed me, while spending considerably more effort telling me I was stupid.
I offered to edit every one of my ~4000 comments to sing their praises if they just stopped grandstanding and linked me the goddamn proof. Guess who hasn’t stepped up?
I’ve said across multiple comments at this point that when I get enough free time to putz around with getting 11 set up in a VM in prep to upgrade my desktop that I’m going to make a guide on how to configure all this shit.
I hate that learned helplessness with Windows is being fucking championed as a failing of Windows and reason to switch to Linux, when these same users end up having issues with Linux and being hung out to dry there as well.
I use both Linux and windows, its a matter of preference. I have virtually no issues with Linux on my 13 yo computer, but, windows on my brand new lenovo I have issues with, mostly stability. I also recognize, being in IT, Linux isnt for everyone. GIMP is great, but, its not Photoshop. The extremely extensive rules and functionality in outlook is, to my knowledge, unparalleled. My SO had me install Linux on their machine years ago because windows needed too much maintenance to run smoothly. Linux just works on that machine and I havnt touched that computer since for any issue. Usually, most machines Linux works great. I will probably always use Linux for my personal machine, I prefer it.
But, Debra who cant find her program because the icon moved 2 mm to the left, or anyone who needs to coordinate calendar scheduling, or recieved more than 30 emails a day and needs them organized. Or managing 1000 + computers in a GUI interface to easily apply group policies and restrictions. Windows works great for that.
People are too hard up on one or the other, they have their place. Linux servers are amazing. Also I agree Mac sucks, interoperability and stability is all they have. Its crazy how much they are for what you get.
