No one is forcing anyone to use it, so use it or ignore it.

That’s a little bit naive to say in todays’ IT landscape. Everyone who wishes to keep their privacy and personal safety - which quite frankly should be everyone - only has the option to run some Linux or BSD for their personal computing.

It will always need more effort on the part of the user to get going with it

That’s not true, thanks to hardware vendors as well as lots and lots of work of many people. The culture is still a problem though, as it effectively gatekeeps certain settings like Bootloader (“no normal user should ever have to change those”) or Service Management (“No normal user is supposed to touch those anyway”) behind an enormous skill level most people should not have to reach instead of a GUI people can navigate and understand. Not to mention that many seriously treat CLI commands as universal, something that repeatedly breaks systems of users who’re then rightfully pissed off.

there is no end game with Linux - no inherent need to be used and loved by everyone.

Again, if there were accessible alternatives that respect and protect the user that would be true, however there are not. The “endgame” (bad word for it) should be to finally reach accessibility-parity with Windows so everyone can actually use it.

I get what you want to say, but the circumstances we’re in don’t support your opinion on these things. Arguing like this perpetuates the more often than not rather unwelcoming (as in elitist) nature in the community.

Don’t forget accessibility. Proper GUIs are accessible, they convey function and meaning through form. People constantly forget that.

The only family of distros I knew that could do all those things was OpenSuse thanks to YaST. Unfortunately they just sunset that tool without installing the new alternative “Cockpit” by default now, sooo… yeah. A lot of the things you mentioned can be done via GUI like account management, software and such, but by far not everything. The only distro which got most of those covered I can think of would be Linux Mint, there the CLI can be treated as more of a fallback solution or for those who want to use it.

“The biggest problem of Linux is its culture” immediately confirmed.

• The terminal isn’t the quickest for everyone. It’s merely the one with the most concise input pattern
• “copy and paste it into a terminal” literally means “trust me blindly” when said to anyone but Linux enthusiasts or professionals. Which can have disastruous consequences if the command is old, for the wrong system, malformed or something else.
• the reason it’s difficult to bot use the terminal is due to a lack of configuration GUIs, or lack of mention that they exist. The amount of times people get told to manipulate their /etc/fstab instead of using the safe and very well accessible GUIs most DEs provide is flabbergastingly high.

The original reply was mostly correct. The problem is the culture. Too many Linux fans and devs either don’t understand or don’t give a shit about accessibility, and when criticized for that immediately build the impenetrable wall of “it’s free so eat what we give you or screw off”.

That’s just hot glue. My desire to snooze is stronger, use superglue next time.

Given every single shelter I’ve ever been to in Germany lists adoption requirements for each cat (one of them if they are a freeroamer or bot, i.e. need outside access) and would not let you adopt a cat if you can’t provide them, with the professionals at the shelter even pointing out that “taking away outside access from a cat can, depending on the cat, amount to factual animal abuse” (roughly translated)… yeah, sorry, but there’s zero chance any anecdote here could convince me.

I’ve already posted an example on another reply. Right now they even got an additional box above the list stating that “most our current cats do not accept being held only indoors” (the green one), given that’s what most people look for. Most of them specifically state “Freigang” (Freeroam) as requirement.

Not any cats, but those who’re already accustomed to the outdoors. I’ve been to multiple animal shelters in Germany over the years, all of them had information about if a cat required access to the outdoors to be happy. And that was a requirement for adoption of those cats. You can see it here for example at the Hamburg shelter Süderstraße, the biggest one in the city. Every cat or group of cats has the “Haltungsanforderung” (adoption requirements) mentioned, most of them “Freigang” (“Freeroam”) since they often receive strays and there’re less people in the city who can provide that.

I’ve no clue where the hell you all live or how big your houses usually are, but despite the known heavoc freeroaming cats can cause: if they are freeroamers then, according to the professionals at the shelters I spoke with, suddenly keeping them in an average apartment (i.e. ~60m²) would be almost abuse and they will not let you adopt a cat if the cats individual requirements aren’t met.

And to be clear once more, the shelters don’t advocate for everyone to let their cats out. They advocate and educate so people won’t do it in the first place, BUT if a cat already knows the outside and would go mad inside they respect the animals’ requirements.

That goes against any knowledge and experiences available, I’ve never seen or heard of a single adoption centre who’d allow it either; if the cat is an outdoor cat they’ll never let you take it unless you can let it out as well, and cats who’re accustomed to a secured balcony or a Catio also require it to be adopted. That’s why it’s important to raise a cat as indoor cat in the first place. Do you have any sort of proof of the opposite?

I love both that it’s even well written as well as the professional answer it got despite its nature.

Strays who lived outside can’t be house-only cats anymore.

wtf, that’s just a video of violence.

If my dreams indicate their actual lives I better fucking hope they are.

bwwwwt

That’s called a Rolling Release. It will periodically bless you with a broken system to test your sysadmin skills.

(brace for all the “bUt It’S sTaBLe FoR mE” replies)

Basically, yes. OpenSuse is nice because it comes with everything already set up, including bootable snapshots through the bootloader.

I’d make Win95 the stick but with the rock being one-sided. It was a pretty good system for its time, and Windows 98 built upon that.

But why, they’re just playing. All their claws are retracted.

Creates bad AI subtitles

Ignores customer needs

Changes business to genocidal regime

“Why does everyone hate us?? Must be the damn pirates! :<”

You’re in a rather special position regarding the extensions in this case because except for 3 of them, they’re all directly maintained by your distro of choice. Which, additionally, is super slow with updating due to focusing on getting Cosmic ready and therefore extremely stable (and outdated) given nothing changes. Distro-specific extensions really are one of the few places where this kind of unstable extension system makes sense, since your distro maintainer also controls the update flow of Gnome for you and can do proper QA on it w/ those extensions before making updates available. It’s not a mix’n’match of code.

Also, I do realize that theming on Gnome isn’t officially supported on an OS level, and I don’t fully understand it all, but I do have a fairly consistently-used custom theme installed using Gnome tweaks. GTK3 iirc.

Modern Gnome applications using libadwaita instead of GTK3 or 4 will happily mostly ignore those, and the “User Themes” extension you need on modern Gnome to enable theming likes to cause problems. Usually one of the first “recommendations” you’ll hear when Gnome starts misbehaving is to disable your themes as Gnome just does not want to have them. I was just straight-up told to “not use Extensions if you want a stable system” (after losing about 40 minutes of work, again).

I had some debates with Gnome devs about it which I primarily take my points from. One of them told me they actively decided against an API, for the mentioned reason.

Looking at some old screenshot, before I cleaned out a lot in an attempt to stop the crashing I had these (don’t know which ones were still active when it crashed the third time, I only know it was about 7 to 8 and that I immediately began looking up how to install KDE out of frustration).

• Dash to Dock
• GSConnect
• Media Label and Controls (Mpris Label)
• Net Speed (definitely deleted this one later)
• Next Up
• RebootToUEFI
• RunCat
• Tray Icons: Reloaded (This is a freaking technical necessity)
• TwitchLive Panel (definitely deleted this one later)
• UPower Battery
• User Avatar In Quick Settings
• User Themes
• Wifi QR Code