• Mantzy81@aussie.zone
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      7 hours ago

      Honestly I wouldn’t touch Apple products with a bargepole. I dislike closed ecosystems

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        5 hours ago

        You’d rather be spied on constantly by the largest panopticon ever created, because they allow sideloading.

        Honestly this is voting for Trump over Kamala; we need a viable alternative. Why have they taken personal computing from us?

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          5 hours ago

          You can deGoogle Android if you want, hopefully better alternatives, that don’t suck, like Linux Phone™ 🙏 arrive before too long.

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              other options besides graphene exist, like lineage OS that work on a ton of different phones. and sure graphene requires google hardware but nobody says you have to buy the hardware from google direct. buying used is different than buying from google

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          No, I’d rather use my device like I want to use my device instead of how I’m told to use it. I don’t need to sideload on this device but glad I can if and when I want to. I prefer having a computer with me rather than a purposely stunted device kept that way to sell other devices in the ecosystem.

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            You say it’s purposely stunted, I say it has guardrails that saves me hours and hours of family IT support time un-fucking my elderly parents phones. This was something I’d have to do every single time I was home when we had android phones.

            I would dump Apple in a heartbeat if something better existed. They’re not good but they’re the best for my personal scenario of the current options.

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          Were being spied on regardless, better to choose the option that allows one to do the most with it. If I could throw together my own phone and run a Linux variant on then I fucken would, but as it phone hardware is ass and Linux mobile doesn’t exist for my phone.

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            You can’t logic people out of an emotional decision. The hatred of Apple runs deep.

            The obviousness of this is how Android users troll Apple discussions but Apple users don’t troll Android discussions.

            They have insanely strong opinions on what other’s choices that it borderline religious.

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        5 hours ago

        It’s better than the alternatives, unfortunately. I really want to dump Apple; the products are waning in quality and the company is spending a lot of time genuflecting for king tangerine. But it just works.

        “Just install grapheneOS” my brother in Christ, I have no time or interest in fucking up with the primary communication device I rely on to reach family, friends, and work. I don’t have time for the hobbies I want to do let alone adding work-adjacent activities under the cloak of a hobby.

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          The ecosystem is really seamless, especially with a MacBook and Apple watch in the mix.

          Though I don’t think there is any winning in the smartphone space. There is a duopoly and even if you personally use graphineOS you still are benefitting and helping the Google ecosystem by using Android apps.

          Sadly I don’t think we can “vote with our wallets” on smartphones. We need legal legislation that forces both Apple and Google to be consumer friendly.

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          Installing graphene was not like flashing a ROM ten years ago. You just follow the simple steps on the web installer.

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          Nothing would prevent you from communicating with a Graphene OS phone. It’s a smartphone OS, not compiling Arch here…

          But use whatever excuse you can find to stay in the Apple ecosystem, that’s fine.

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            It totally could and probably would. I am a phone OS tinkerer myself, but the above poster is right that it is a lot of hobbyist type tinkering and you can brick your device and fuck it up so you can’t communicate with your friends and family.

            I agree with the main sentiment that these alternative OSs for phones and computers are a lot better in a lot of ways, but we are unwise to act like getting your computer or phone that way is that easy. Trying to get an alternative OS working well on a device can very easily consume an entire waking day or more, and bricking is not impossible, especially with phones.

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        I am in it for not too long, I wanted a Framework notebook but they didn’t sell in my country so I couldn’t purchase it through my business so I went with macbook and iphone next to because, why not.

        I generally don’t care much about things like in the op news tbh, as if I have a subscription for something I use it directly from the website

        And stuff like the seemless integration when switching from my phone to my MacBook with my airpods is fucking great.

        but I am not a normal techie, I am waaay overindexed on user experience over a lot of things, for example I pay for spotify because the Ux is great for me, I refuse to pay for streaming devices because my own plex/jellyfin server is a much better UX.

        I am also refusing to buy cars without physical buttons.