Yeah he had quite a few people in the geek / tech world that liked him or at least were indifferent. Then he started losing his shit quickly followed by getting all MAGA political.
He probably would have been happier had he not gone all Nazi, or if he always was that way, at least kept it to himself.
I think the first time people (like me) started realising how he truly was when he called one of those Thailand rescue divers a pedophile. He went fully mask off in barely any time after that.
Because how quickly he switched I still wonder if he is someone like Kanye who needs to be on meds otherwise he just can’t help himself saying absolutely insane stuff.
I think he’s more like Notch and Rowling, they had a fuck ton of money, the ability to never be told no, some pre existing regressive ideas, and got addicted to the internet as it became a hellscape. These people were each just as isolated as the friendless 4channer in their mom’s basement, just in a different way, and they were just as in need of therapy.
What we know from Vivian Wilson and her mom is that both paint a believable picture of Musk pre extreme wealth. A tenacious man who always wanted more and was wracked by insecurity. He insisted on sex selective ivf to ensure he only had sons and he punished his daughter when she failed to be sufficiently masculine. He relentlessly pursued and wooed his first wife, but dumped her basically immediately upon striking it rich. When combined with his childhood abuse, current behavior, and emotional neediness in everything he does, I’m comfortable using a framework of NPD to understand him (yeah it’s an armchair diagnosis so take it as a proposed model, not a diagnosis). Within that framework the worst thing for his mental health was to become rich, famous, and terminally online. His inability to take criticism and his response to lash out at it publicly and permanently is one of his big reasons for his rightward shift as it came while he was being criticized by the left for his treatment of workers.
Looks like that was in 2018. Hadn’t heard of that. The first hint for me was in 2019 when planning to build a Tesla plant in Germany’s black forest.
Cant act like you are helping the environment with electric cars when you destroy it to create said cars…
Your inhibitions are also, to a degree, part of what make you who you want to be. Not excusing him, certainly not defending him, but sometimes a little inhibition is a good thing.
Yeah, his whole idea of sending a submarine to rescue the kids, then going completely berserk with pedophile accusations was the wake up call for me. Before that, almost the entire coverage of him over Ars Technica was positive
same moment for me. I thought he was super cool for starting an all electric car company, having the potential to start another space race and advance science, bringing together some engineers to quickly build a rescue submersible, but the pedophile comment totally broke the enchantment
For me, it was his personal life. He was famous so I looked him up. He didn’t treat his relationships well. It honestly looked like he used them until he could “upgrade.”
For me it was shoving a bunch of Teslas in a hole in Las Vegas and calling it a “hyperloop” that was when I fully realized he was entirely full of shit
It seemed more sudden and severe than just “oh some people didn’t not like him and then things changed”.
I didn’t know much about him really but he seemed to be investing in tech that could really shape the future, which I thought was “progressive”. Like when the first Tesla hit the market “big oil” had been suppressing the EV industry forever and putting your money behind something like that was bold and progressive.
Now he’s a Nazi supporting conservative nutty governments all over the world.
Yeah, I was one of those. I actually thought he was a cool dude. Especially his “I’ll do something I thought of this morning, no idea if it works maybe it’ll cost me billions lol” attitude is something I almost admired. I was also kinda happy when he bought twitter because I really thought the platform would improve.
But yeah, I then noticed the platform would not improve and when he went into politics, I lost every ounce of respect I had for the dude. Now I’d like to see him running headfirst into a chainsaw.
You were a late adopter. I think by the time he bought Twitter his political views and craziness were already known. For most people it was around the rescue diver pedophile tweet that most people realized. (As another reply also mentioned.)
Nah, that wasn’t really the case. Again, I wasn’t a musk-groupie lmao, I just heard things about him every now and then and thought they were pretty cool. Many of the things that he did or said I never even heard about until a few months ago.
Yeah he had quite a few people in the geek / tech world that liked him or at least were indifferent. Then he started losing his shit quickly followed by getting all MAGA political.
He probably would have been happier had he not gone all Nazi, or if he always was that way, at least kept it to himself.
Now he is sad everyone hates him lol.
I think the first time people (like me) started realising how he truly was when he called one of those Thailand rescue divers a pedophile. He went fully mask off in barely any time after that.
Because how quickly he switched I still wonder if he is someone like Kanye who needs to be on meds otherwise he just can’t help himself saying absolutely insane stuff.
I think he’s more like Notch and Rowling, they had a fuck ton of money, the ability to never be told no, some pre existing regressive ideas, and got addicted to the internet as it became a hellscape. These people were each just as isolated as the friendless 4channer in their mom’s basement, just in a different way, and they were just as in need of therapy.
What we know from Vivian Wilson and her mom is that both paint a believable picture of Musk pre extreme wealth. A tenacious man who always wanted more and was wracked by insecurity. He insisted on sex selective ivf to ensure he only had sons and he punished his daughter when she failed to be sufficiently masculine. He relentlessly pursued and wooed his first wife, but dumped her basically immediately upon striking it rich. When combined with his childhood abuse, current behavior, and emotional neediness in everything he does, I’m comfortable using a framework of NPD to understand him (yeah it’s an armchair diagnosis so take it as a proposed model, not a diagnosis). Within that framework the worst thing for his mental health was to become rich, famous, and terminally online. His inability to take criticism and his response to lash out at it publicly and permanently is one of his big reasons for his rightward shift as it came while he was being criticized by the left for his treatment of workers.
Looks like that was in 2018. Hadn’t heard of that. The first hint for me was in 2019 when planning to build a Tesla plant in Germany’s black forest. Cant act like you are helping the environment with electric cars when you destroy it to create said cars…
I think that may have been shortly after he and Grimes got together so likely she introduced him to more drugs than whatever he was already taking.
Drugs don’t make people racist pieces of shit, but they sure can help make it clear that the person already is.
Oh I agree. He was clearly always a huge turd he was just doing a better job at hiding it initially.
He was probably already racist, but it really does seem like the drugs helped make him a Nazi.
It’s probably a combination of the people feeding him drugs and him drifting towards manipulators instead of people who might tell him no.
The drugs reduced his inhibitions keeping him from openly being a nazi.
Your inhibitions are also, to a degree, part of what make you who you want to be. Not excusing him, certainly not defending him, but sometimes a little inhibition is a good thing.
Yeah, his whole idea of sending a submarine to rescue the kids, then going completely berserk with pedophile accusations was the wake up call for me. Before that, almost the entire coverage of him over Ars Technica was positive
Like a micro sub seemed like an interesting idea but losing his mind when experts said it was not going to work… yeah not a good look.
Yeah, that was the incident that really made me look back on his previous action with fresh eyes and reconsider my opinion of him.
Like you said, it went downhill fast after that
same moment for me. I thought he was super cool for starting an all electric car company, having the potential to start another space race and advance science, bringing together some engineers to quickly build a rescue submersible, but the pedophile comment totally broke the enchantment
He didn’t even start Tesla he just bought it out right as they had sorted the tech but hit a wall in building manufacturing capacity.
Yeah, pretty sure that was after he fired his media team and we started seeing what he was really like.
Watching NazYe spiral that quickly was kinda amusing in one of those ‘cant look away from the accident’ moments.
For me, it was his personal life. He was famous so I looked him up. He didn’t treat his relationships well. It honestly looked like he used them until he could “upgrade.”
For me it was shoving a bunch of Teslas in a hole in Las Vegas and calling it a “hyperloop” that was when I fully realized he was entirely full of shit
It seemed more sudden and severe than just “oh some people didn’t not like him and then things changed”.
I didn’t know much about him really but he seemed to be investing in tech that could really shape the future, which I thought was “progressive”. Like when the first Tesla hit the market “big oil” had been suppressing the EV industry forever and putting your money behind something like that was bold and progressive.
Now he’s a Nazi supporting conservative nutty governments all over the world.
I think he had a great PR team and then one day just went off script forever.
Yeah, I was one of those. I actually thought he was a cool dude. Especially his “I’ll do something I thought of this morning, no idea if it works maybe it’ll cost me billions lol” attitude is something I almost admired. I was also kinda happy when he bought twitter because I really thought the platform would improve.
But yeah, I then noticed the platform would not improve and when he went into politics, I lost every ounce of respect I had for the dude. Now I’d like to see him running headfirst into a chainsaw.
You were a late adopter. I think by the time he bought Twitter his political views and craziness were already known. For most people it was around the rescue diver pedophile tweet that most people realized. (As another reply also mentioned.)
I never even heard of that ever happening lmao. I was just reading about him every now and then, not keeping a log about everything he did.
I was with you up to this point. You must have been extremely naive or completely uninformed.
More uninformed. I wasn’t keeping tabs in everything he did, and european media didn’t report that much about him.
Maybe just young, because the coverage up to that point was hard to avoid.
Only in US media circles.
Nah, that wasn’t really the case. Again, I wasn’t a musk-groupie lmao, I just heard things about him every now and then and thought they were pretty cool. Many of the things that he did or said I never even heard about until a few months ago.