They get 47 days of training, to honor the 47th president. That means some scummy sycophant landed on that number so that it would get to the president’s ear, and maybe Daddy will know who they are.
Contrary to popular belief: Going to a protest isn’t the only way to show your dislike. Protesters are the front line.
The back line is support. First aid people. Armed citizens acting as guards. Legal observators. Saboteurs. Tech people to amplify the message. All of these are not at a protest, but assembled through online groups and community events.
Granted, you’ll also see them staged at protests too, but you don’t have to go to one.
You need both lines, and there’s a lot of roles out there.
Better than nothing. Also not self defense. Hit the gym. Get a gun. Go train at a gym BJJ, MMA whatever but do something. Use the hate for fascists to drive training. I’m so tired of seeing protestors get knocked out trying to act tough. Nothing sets the effort back like watching your side get beat repeatedly. We can act high and morally superior but if we reject the basics then it’s all hollow. You need to support all of it with some type of power and power comes from winning at whatever you do. If we’re protesting only because they’re letting us because they haven’t become more violent yet then we’re not actually protesting. The idea isn’t to go out and hurt anyone or instigating. It’s to be ready when they do.
Something may be better than nothing but escalating without hope isn’t better.
It’s a bad idea to attempt force against overwhelming force. You will never win and you may lose a lot
You’re much more likely to get good results by surviving and following through in the courts. Your strength is knowing your rights, filming everything, ensuring it’s clear on video when those rights are validated.
For example, you may not be able to physically prevent an illegal search. But you can film it. You can make it clear that you do don’t consent to a search (while not physically interfering with their illegal activity). You can ask about their warrant. You can even ask for their grounds for suspicion. When they are on video violating that, it’s pretty damning evidence. That won’t help you in the short term, but it will help in the future. If there is due process, you may get any evidence obtained illegally dropped. You can follow through with a civil rights proceeding. It won’t be fast or easy but you’re much more likely to eventually get justice, than any fantasies of violent resistance
More accurately I’m more pessimistic about direct resistance. Even if you’re kidnapped out of the country, at least you’ve survived and have hope. That law is on your side, so if we ever get back to following laws ….
I’m with you on all that except for the part that you’re reacting. Which is a major issue on the left lately. It’s all reaction to things others are proactively doing. The left needs to do all you said while also adapting that prepper and survival mindset. There are no courts or police or military as we knew it. It’s just us and we need each other to be as ready as possible. That hammer is going to drop on us. Trump or ICE or MAGA will not go away until they inflict much more harm. Every panic in the past shows this. It doesn’t end until an event occurs that is so shocking everybody kind of wakes out of a daze. The problem is we’ve had multiple shocks and they get stronger. This means it isn’t just run of the mill momentary crash out. It’s something else. It’s not going to end
You’re going to use some bog standard self defense class against multiple armed, stupid, violent ICE agents?
Yeah, that will end well.
If you’re going to do anything you’d better off going to a protest, finding like minded individuals and then deciding where to go from there.
ICE agents get 8 weeks of training. Don’t undervalue someone with a year of real training.
EDIT: I’m pretty sure most ICE agents are below average intelligence too… so really, we already have an advantage if we did a little training.
They get 47 days of training, to honor the 47th president. That means some scummy sycophant landed on that number so that it would get to the president’s ear, and maybe Daddy will know who they are.
Contrary to popular belief: Going to a protest isn’t the only way to show your dislike. Protesters are the front line.
The back line is support. First aid people. Armed citizens acting as guards. Legal observators. Saboteurs. Tech people to amplify the message. All of these are not at a protest, but assembled through online groups and community events.
Granted, you’ll also see them staged at protests too, but you don’t have to go to one.
You need both lines, and there’s a lot of roles out there.
Need classes on insurgency
Better than nothing. Also not self defense. Hit the gym. Get a gun. Go train at a gym BJJ, MMA whatever but do something. Use the hate for fascists to drive training. I’m so tired of seeing protestors get knocked out trying to act tough. Nothing sets the effort back like watching your side get beat repeatedly. We can act high and morally superior but if we reject the basics then it’s all hollow. You need to support all of it with some type of power and power comes from winning at whatever you do. If we’re protesting only because they’re letting us because they haven’t become more violent yet then we’re not actually protesting. The idea isn’t to go out and hurt anyone or instigating. It’s to be ready when they do.
Something may be better than nothing but escalating without hope isn’t better.
It’s a bad idea to attempt force against overwhelming force. You will never win and you may lose a lot
You’re much more likely to get good results by surviving and following through in the courts. Your strength is knowing your rights, filming everything, ensuring it’s clear on video when those rights are validated.
For example, you may not be able to physically prevent an illegal search. But you can film it. You can make it clear that you do don’t consent to a search (while not physically interfering with their illegal activity). You can ask about their warrant. You can even ask for their grounds for suspicion. When they are on video violating that, it’s pretty damning evidence. That won’t help you in the short term, but it will help in the future. If there is due process, you may get any evidence obtained illegally dropped. You can follow through with a civil rights proceeding. It won’t be fast or easy but you’re much more likely to eventually get justice, than any fantasies of violent resistance
Youre optimistic about taking it to court when ice will kidnap you and deport you without ever seeing a lawyer or a judge.
More accurately I’m more pessimistic about direct resistance. Even if you’re kidnapped out of the country, at least you’ve survived and have hope. That law is on your side, so if we ever get back to following laws ….
I’m with you on all that except for the part that you’re reacting. Which is a major issue on the left lately. It’s all reaction to things others are proactively doing. The left needs to do all you said while also adapting that prepper and survival mindset. There are no courts or police or military as we knew it. It’s just us and we need each other to be as ready as possible. That hammer is going to drop on us. Trump or ICE or MAGA will not go away until they inflict much more harm. Every panic in the past shows this. It doesn’t end until an event occurs that is so shocking everybody kind of wakes out of a daze. The problem is we’ve had multiple shocks and they get stronger. This means it isn’t just run of the mill momentary crash out. It’s something else. It’s not going to end