I think that when we are attacking mental health issues, we need to think of it like the swiss cheese model of security in IT, except that we are on offense instead of defense.
Everything needs to be on the table. Mental health affects how it feels to exist, which is pretty damn important when it comes to quality of life and finding some fulfillment, comfort, happiness, etc.
There is usually not a single thing that “cures” somebody. And if there is such a single thing that works so wonderfully, it certainly does not work that well for the vast majority of people.
Therapists as pentesters is an interesting concept. Maybe if we thought about it like that there would be more interdisciplinary methods.
Therapy really doesnt help. For some people it can be amazing, but it just won’t work for everyone and that is ok.
For me personally, I’m just too different from how the therapists wanted me to be (I know this sounds weird, I will explain). They (plural, I’ve seen multiple) would try to convince me I can and do experience things that “are normal human feelings that everyone experiences”, and didn’t seem to be able to understand the things I was telling them I actually experience. They could not understand that I simply do not think in any conventional manner and do not have the same thoughts other people do. And I am not saying “Oh I think differently I am such an intellectual, infinitely superior to mere mortals”. There are a lot of things my brain cannot do at all, I will never be able to drive a car, and can’t follow cooking recipies very well. They all had the same mindset, that somewhere in my brain the things they were looking for existed. I am lucky that I never had any serious mental health issues, I only wanted to go to ensure that I wouldn’t have an issue in the future, since I am more likely to experience them, due to being significantly disabled
"Jesus and mental health
are for those who can help themselves.
What good is that when you live in hell
on earth?"
Barenaked Ladies - War on drugs
Aah yes, therapy, the instant cure-all for brain issues. How foolish of me to think that therapy was only talking through your problems and getting professional advice on how to cope better with the crushing reality that we’re all just wage slave servants of the 1%.
What a fool I was.
That’s okay, don’t feel too bad about it… but if you do I hear there’s a potion for that.
The potion, BTW, was mild narcotics.
Studying all that is cheaper than therapy. Trust me, if I could afford the financial commitment I’d go again.
Boi’s will do all that to avoid therapy. Men however will do what is necessary.
Dude, therapy means PEOPLE. Have you tried people?
Personally, people is too crunchy and salty.
Lol everyone says therapy
Can therapy make the ICE Agents go away?
Can therapy change the fact that my original home country has a bunch of authoritarian “communist” thugs in government? The thugs that never wanted me to be born.
(apologies for the rant)
A key component of dialectal behavior therapy is focusing your sense of injustice in ways that allow you to enact the most change while coming to peace with the things you can’t. I started working on a sub about skills building but did get discouraged for a bit by low engagement. The wiki is pretty fully fleshed out though: [email protected]
Hey, I just completed a course on DBT and would be happy to contribute. Can’t tell you how happy it made me to browse the comments and see someone bring this up
do you think china would better off if sun yat-sen lived longer?
Probably.
It’s hard to say, I don’t have a time machine, and there’s a lot of butterfly effect stuff.
But I’d imagine the KMT and CCP would be still be on speaking terms, maybe.
I mean, I see these timelines: (Keep in mind, I’m not an expert in history)
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If Japan never invaded, and Sun Yat-sen died at the same time as current timline, KMT would’ve won the civil war. They wouldn’t be in the aftermath of suffering from the massive losses fighing the japanese imperialists.
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If Japan invades, but Sun Yat-sen was magically kep alive this entire time, I guess there might’ve been more cooperation during the resistance against japanese invasion. As for after the war, it’s possible that:
a. the KMT beomes majority ruling party, and CCP is a major opposition party, and maybe there would be elections… Or maybe the democratization doesn’t happen until like a decade, or 2 decades, or maybe much more later. I imagine there is a timeline where perhaps in the alternate 2025, CCP is one of the political parties in a sort of Taiwan-like multiparty democracy. Perhaps it could splinter into multiple groups, Democratic Socialists, and hardcore “Communists”. I’d imagine there’s also be some people who are more militant and probably launch random attacks sort of like the US’s political violence. Perhaps like the IRA.
b. Perhaps a hot civil-war goes off, KMT probably has an advantage because of Sun Yat-sen as the unifying figure. So if KMT wins, its probably just Taiwan timeline, but perhaps the democratization could take a bit longer than Taiwan timeline since the land is bigger, and also the CCP probably goes full “IRA Mode” and start doing attacks, so KMT might’ve used that as an excuse to implement martial law… so we might not see a a real democracy until like 2000s, there’a gonna need to be a lot of under western pressure to do this.
Just my theories, a historian probably think a lot differently.
TLDR: I don’t think the internet censorship would be as harsh, or perhaps the censorship wouldn’t exist at all. No great leap forward, likely no One Child Policy. More time spend on actually fixing the country. Possibly multiparty democracy.
do you think china would still be an aes country, but recognize the other parties AND the communist party equally?
China isn’t a “Actually Existing Socialist” country to be clear. I’ve lived there, nothing socialist. Parents were stuggling so much just working all day. My maternal grandmother had to take care of me and my older brother.
I don’t think the “socialist” thing really can appear out of nowhere. Japan had just destroyed China, I think it’s really unrealistic to leap from a war-torn country into a Socialist paradise, just not realistic. Not in this timeline, neither in the “KMT Wins Civil War” timeline.
In the other timeline, it’s either with the KMT as the sole party, or with a multiparty democracy, I think it’s just gonna be capitalism for most of the 20th century. Then as the country gets richer, there would eventually be calls for more socialist/social democratic policies. If it’s a democracy, KMT would eventually lose power (like are struggling with losing power in RoC controlled Taiwan right now) and hypothetically a Social Democratic or Socialist party would get into power democratically. I don’t think Socialism would’ve been acheived by 2025, but I think there would’ve more social policies helping the poor.
I think the best way to acheive Socialism is to democratically capture an existing prospering “capitalist democracy” and turn it into socialism from the inside. I mean violent revolution has been tried and they have failed. The current China doesn’t really have much social programs helping poor people. It’s state capitalism. My family was one of those poor families, I remember parents just be away from home all the time, its the reason why I fight with my older brother a lot.
Norway, although not entirely “socialist”, has more success with socialist policies because it was slowly reformed, it was done bottom-up. I mean you can’t really just force “democracy” or “socialism” to the people, it has to be grassroot. I don’t think “Vanguard Parties” work, they get eventually get corrupted by small amount of bad actors seeking power, and it ends up becoming a tragedy, the opposite of what egalitarianism is supposed to be.
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You can alchemy your way into making Molotov cocktails, that would help
i bet alchemy could though. let’s recreate paracelsus
Oh wow, I’ve been meaning to look up the comment I wrote last time this was posted. And here’s a great opportunity to do so! Time to make yet another attempt…
All right, either:
- try to decide what kind of therapist is needed (difficult)
- figure out what kind of therapy/therapists are covered by insurance (time-consuming and stressful, sometimes impossible)
- provide a bunch of private information (time-consuming, difficult, and stressful)
- look through a list of relevant therapists nearby (usually easy)
- try to identify one that you might relate to or at least be able to deal with (very difficult, sometimes impossible)
- call them up one at a time to see if they’re really accepting new patients (time-consuming and stressful)
- try to find a regular time that works in your schedule for the new therapist and for other obligations (difficult)
- again provide a bunch of private information (time-consuming, difficult, and stressful)
- go meet with the therapist. try to get along with them because if you don’t it’s your fault and you have to start all over (difficulty varies, sometimes impossible)
- do all this while dealing with whatever problem you need therapy for (difficulty varies, sometimes impossible)
Or:
- access Paracelsus: https://paracelsus-project.org/ (easy)
- translate: https://translate.google.com/ (easy)
- distill potions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrrbGRIOhCw (easy)
I know the wording’s a meme, but the hell with whoever made the original post.
Ironically you need therapy in order to go to therapy. If someone has issues with overthinking, anxiety about interacting with people, stress/anger issues, depression that makes them unmotivated of course it’s going to be hard to go to a stranger they’re expected to be their most vulnerable with.
Seriously. I looked into it awhile back for something. My insurance’s page was complete garbage. Their provider network is completely useless. Every therapist on there either isn’t actually taking new patients, doesn’t accept the insurance, or links to a dead site.
You should be able to sue your insurance company $100 for every ghost listing they have in their provider networks.
I met my partner 18 years ago. She started therapy regularly after our first five years together. She started to see some patterns in her behaviour, especially toward me, that she wanted to work on. Since then, she has decided she wants to become a therapist.
On the other hand, my journey started when I tried to access counselling 25 years ago. My GP tried to put me on an antidepressant immediately. I said no. Since meeting my partner and her starting her therapeutic journey, she has tried for a long time to get me into seeing a therapist. It took almost 15 years, but I started about a month ago.
Now, this first therapist has not been mind-blowing in any way. No breakthroughs, no revelations. Really, I don’t think we’re vibing. But, still, being able to say aloud some of the things that I hide from everyone else is, in and of itself, therapeutic.
The list, above, were my stumbling blocks, too. They still are. Add to the list that I’m an underemployed, visible minority, a father-of-two in a high-stress career, and that I refuse to “adjust [blithely] to a profoundly sick society.” I’d rather continue to feel my isolation and my detachment than walk into Walmart whistling and smiling at my good fortune.
All this to say (TL;DR) therapy comes from your own commitment to honest self-examination. Guided, surely, but at least attempted. It won’t be found in a pill, potion, or portent. I hope to find a therapist who can challenge me to do better.
I have a completely unrelated question but is the US the only developed country where without health insurance you get no medical care at all?
No, you just get a bill that some European governments couldn’t afford.
We can get medical care without insurance, but it’s rock bottom. People go to the ER when their kid is mildly ill because the ER has to see them.
We’re about to lose our Obamacare insurance because the Republicans fucked us over. I get one doctor appointment next week, won’t get any follow up care.
BTW, I’m unemployed but my wife works for the largest credit union on the planet, a “great job” people say around here. She gets no insurance, PTO, nada. Been there over a year, excelling on every metric, still not a “full” employee.
Same in Iran.
They just went before the USA in the list.
(/Jk, they might even have some sort of free “healthcare” in Iran).
The healthcare is getting stoned, isn’t it?
Now I can’t speak for a availability or how you can get insurance to pay for it in the US. I mean you don’t even have to have insurance in the US?
But most of your other points are BS my guy…
- Not that important and a doctor might have suggestions here already
- The only required stuff should be the same you need to provide any doctor
- In Europe insurance or doctors will help with that as well
- You might need to try a few different therapists but they are professionals. They can deal with you
- Therapy doesn’t necessarily require a regular appointment schedule
- 🙄
- Same as 5.
- Again, sucks if you are in the US. In Europe you can take sick leave and go to a facility for multiple weeks at a time if you have severe issues.
If you financially or through some other means cannot do it, sure. But most of the western world has decent access. So go to therapy. Women manage somehow.
I can’t speak for a availability or how you can get insurance to pay for it in the US.
It sounds like you’re in Europe. Healthcare in the US is much worse. Protect your nation’s healthcare, please, for the sake of your descendants, and as an example that we may one day emulate.
Women don’t manage somehow. Iirc, about 11% of women go to therapy, while 7% of men do. The difference is almost negligible.
Also, from my personal experience, going to therapy has been quite unhelpful. I shopped around and met with quite a few therapists. One was genuinely insane. The rest seemed to do basically nothing and have no real suggestions of improving my mental health issues. For the most part, it seemed like they were phoning it in, and didn’t think my problems were real problems.
“Go to therapy” is thrown around like some trump card. But the reality is, going to therapy is very hit or miss, and in my case, pretty much entirely miss. I get more out of going for a walk in the woods. And if trees are reliably doing a better job at your vocation than you are, then I think your field is probably bullshit.
“Just get therapy? Why don’t I strap on my therapy helmet, and squeeze down into a therapy cannon, AND FIRE OFF INTO THERAPYLAND, WHERE THERAPISTS GROW ON THERAPIES?!!!”
Theraptrees? In this climate?
Me: “Can I get a referral to a therapist?”
GP: “Uh huh… so, I’m going to need you to take a drug test.”
The medical system has us so whipped.
I just reached out to a therapist office. Referrals? Insane if you actually needed to do that.
Every medical treatment has to go through my GP, or else my insurance won’t pay for it. If I had the money, I could just pay a therapist on my own, and then pay out of pocket for any meds the prescribe.
Not to mention it’s (usually) expensive
Got it for free, it comes down to “you don’t look depressed”.
No shit, I thought you would help!
So they told her I look depressed. I was not depressed, just literaly grieving.
Got some perspective on things, was still on my own.
Guess what: you need an actual neurologist to help treat your brain disorder, not someone to tell you the obvious.
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The just go to therapy shit is more or less the same as “have you tried yoga”. I have gone to therapy but therapy isn’t some magic cure-all nor will it help with material conditions being shit. I have autism and probably C-PTSD, therapy ain’t gonna help anymore for the simple fact that my problems are materiall in nature since Society is shit and it’s hard for me to even find a job let alone one that won’t push me towards a meltdown.
Therapy never fixes you problems. It’s there to provide you with the tools to handle and navigate those problems and teach you how to use them.
You can’t control the world or society or how other people will feel or react. All you can do is controle your actions and reactions. That’s a simple fact of life for everyone. I’m not saying your situation isn’t different from most other peoples but that won’t angry that the world isn’t better won’t help you in any way. Figuring out ways to navigate that shitty world on the other hand will.
I have a job and it’s a struggle to find reasons to give any fucks anymore. I used to be paid “enough” and according to inflation calculators, I’m making nearly the exact same amount (in terms of buying power) as I did in 2013; but my expenses are definitely higher.
This isn’t a competition but if I can’t progress in my career at a pace that even rivals inflation, then what the fuck am I even supposed to do?
My responsibilities have increased, but my buying power is ludicrously the same. It’s infuriating.
You’re not alone.
Being an alchemist grants you immortality
That’s why Isaac Newton is still alive
Hey, nice, I’ve been falling asleep to some of this guy’s videos lately.
“Let’s see, 500 grams quicksilver, 225 grams mercury, 20 grams ground cinnabar, and 40 grams fresh mashed castor beans. This depression potion better work!”
(Mercury is difficult to vomit out in large quantities because it’s quite heavy. No backsies on this potion)
Quicksilver is the same as mercury though
And cinnabar is a historically common source of mercury. I considered azoth as ingredient 3, but figured cinnabar wouldn’t be as confusing. A whole lot of “azoth” in modern media
Can’t have enough mercury.
Well it’s definitely gonna work, kill the depression with pure insanity from all the mercury.
People in these memes always talking about therapy as if one simply goes there and like it works in the first place
Not sure if it’s very different in the US, but at least in Europe a lot more women use to opportunity to go to therapy compared to men. I.e. there is space if you look for it.
And for your second point, psychology is a science. Not without flaw, just like any other science. But it certainly works, especially if the patient puts in the work.
Where I live in Finland, getting therapy is a monumental and usually expensive effort, to the point where most of its apparent benefits likely stem from survivorship bias because to actually get all the way to therapy you cannot have debilitating depression in the first place.
Glad we already implying that the patients just aren’t therapying hard enough.
A therapist will give you homework.
If you don’t do it, how is a 30-60 minute conversation once a month going to help you?
