Broadly speaking, you probably agree with the large majority of the views commonly attributed to whichever group you identify with - what are the exceptions? Something that if you mention without a caveat immediately makes people jump to conclusions or even attack you?

  • Danitos@reddthat.com
    124·
    12 hours ago

    I think trans athletes should be able to compete only in their assigned gender at birth category, if the sport is gender-segregated.

    • starlinguk@lemmy.world
      5·
      9 hours ago

      Transgender ladies who are on oestrogen and testosterone blockers aren’t any stronger or faster than cis ladies.

      • Acamon@lemmy.world
        5·
        8 hours ago

        Gender-affirming care massively reduces the difference, but transwomen are still likely to be faster than AFAB women:

        Prior to gender affirming hormones, transwomen performed 31% more push-ups and 15% more sit-ups in 1 min and ran 1.5 miles 21% faster than their female counterparts. After 2 years of taking feminising hormones, the push-up and sit-up differences disappeared but transwomen were still 12% faster. Prior to gender affirming hormones, transmen performed 43% fewer push-ups and ran 1.5 miles 15% slower than their male counterparts. After 1 year of taking masculinising hormones, there was no longer a difference in push-ups or run times, and the number of sit-ups performed in 1 min by transmen exceeded the average performance of their male counterparts.

        But what season you’re born in also influences your strength and fitness:

        There were significant main effects of birth-month for cardiorespiratory fitness (F=4.54, p<0.001), strength (F=6.81, p<0.001) and power (F=3.67, p<0.001). Children born in November were fitter and more powerful than those born at other times, particularly the summer months (April, May and June). October-born children were stronger than those born in all months except September and November. This relationship was evident despite controlling for decimal age and despite no significant inter-month differences in anthropometric characteristics.

        So maybe it’s not fair for all those poor summer babies to compete against unfairly blessed autumn athletes?

        • MagicShel@lemmy.zipEnglish
          3·
          5 hours ago

          There’s enough biological diversity that fairness is basically an illusion anyway. I don’t care enough about sports to have a strong opinion. I think it’s fine to say giving up competitive sports is a cost of gender transition. I might think it’s also fine to let trans athletes compete except I would hate it if the women’s league became the trans league or if poor young kids felt pressure to transition in order to compete at a higher level and get life-changing scholarships or even a professional career.

          Is that a legitimate fear? Maybe not. At the end of the day, I rarely watch sports. I would support letting them compete and seeing if it is a problem before passing laws to fix issues that don’t actually exist.

    • Acamon@lemmy.world
      6·
      10 hours ago

      Yeah, I got into a discussion on this topic and my suggestion is that sports split on other categories, not just gender. Boxing already does weight classes, which is good, more sports should do that. Can’t we have sports for people under 5’8"? I’m sure there’s lots of shortkings who’d love to compete seriously in a league where there height wasnt an detriment.

      This approach seemed to offend both sides of the trans sports debate.

      • Dunning Kruger@lemmy.world
        3·
        9 hours ago

        I don’t think that those are the same position.

        Let’s update our understanding and use other more meaningful categories that better reflect people’s lived experiences is a good idea. Let’s confine our understanding and hold people in rigid categories that often do not match their lived experiences is not.

        John Oliver also has a good segment on this topic, if you’re interested.

        Also, one could listen to someone such as Erin in the morning to understand the context of the anti-trans sports campaign.

        Some of what Erin describes here is that much of the current anti-trans efforts are being funded and pushed by many of the same religious fundamentalist groups that previously pushed “defense of marriage” campaigns and and legislation against gay people.

        The market research that these groups have used since losing that debate have shown them that religious arguments against inclusion are generally unpopular. So now they’ve made a very deliberate, and rather successful, effort to repackage their agenda through the sports topic instead.