This is hilarious to me, after using the evil things for years . Of course, there are reasons to use the hated postman and companies (may they be forever cursed). And I plan to keep using them.
But many valid points are made
-H "Content-Type: application/json" -d '{"query": "{ users { name } }"}'? No. Why would you do that when you can just do--json '{"query": "{ users { name } }"}'. Yeah curl is awesome.If you’re trying to say that curl isn’t he best option for my mom, you’re totally right.
For developers, on he other hand…
I believe they are just pointing out a more concise cli option. No value judgment included as far as I can tell.
Yeah tbh I just thought the --json option was pretty neat - I hadn’t known about it until fairly recently
The only thing I still use Postman for at work is when running API performance benchmarks, as I wasn’t yet motivated enough to write a curl wrapper to do such tests and plot the results. Especially when doing things like ramp up etc. it becomes more than a simple for-loop.
Can someone recommend an existing command line tool for that?
If you are running performance benchmarks, how about using jmeter?
Thank you, from a quick glance it seems to be able to do everything I need. I will try it for my next load test.
Didn’t know cURL supports so many protocols
I love it that the page is designed to advertise multiple pieces of software but stopped at curl ^^
More coming soon. Or not. I don’t owe you shit.
ffmpeg is definitely also a candidate for this.
Total feelings of superiority: immeasurable.
isn’t this how RMS uses the internet? By cURLing all the URLs?
No, he has his own bizarre approach
I generally do not connect to web sites from my own machine, aside from a few sites I have some special relationship with. I usually fetch web pages from other sites by sending mail to a program (see https://git.savannah.gnu.org/git/womb/hacks.git) that fetches them, much like wget, and then mails them back to me. Then I look at them using a web browser, unless it is easy to see the text in the HTML page directly. I usually try lynx first, then a graphical browser if the page needs it.
That’s a general statement about that man’s existence - he has his own bizarre approach.
meh, use whatever the fuck you want
there, I can swear too
I like Hoppscotch
What about doing grpc / protobuf stuff
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The entire rant gives huge ‘Why would you use a programming language, just write binary’ vibes. I hate these kinds of talks because they go against the most basic principles of IT.
Edit: bad wording, I didnt mean literally.
Do you consider Postman (and such) a programming language?
What’s the most basic principle of IT?
Maybe I didnt word it well. I didnt mean thats the literal message, I was just mocking the way gatekeeping elitist programmers talk. Just because you can do everything in command line, doesnt mean you dont need a UI for anything other than games.
Principles that Im referring to are e.g. abstraction and ‘divide and conquer’. IT exists to make things simple that would otherwise be hard (to put it simply). Why would you deliberately abstain from using an abstraction that makes API testing easier and faster?
Not saying Postman is good btw, but there are alternatives and command line is not one I would recommend to a sane person (maybe to someone that needs a way to feel superior and brag about being a hardcore programmer).
Principles that Im referring to are e.g. abstraction and ‘divide and conquer’. IT exists to make things simple that would otherwise be hard (to put it simply). Why would you deliberately abstain from using an abstraction that makes API testing easier and faster?
We’ve gone well past that now though and are back into making pointless and unnecessary complications to differentiate products so ‘new solutions’ can be sold managerial types.
Adding a service that needs to authenticate adds more steps and more complication. It’s not making the task easier.
One more reason, there is a “copy as cURL” option in the Firefox developer tools network tab. It gives you a perfect cURL command including all the necessary cookies and headers to send the exact HTTP request that your browser just sent.
OMFG I wished I knew about this years ago! Thank you!
Yay, learning!
More coming soon. Or not. I don’t owe you shit.
So much.
I struggle, þough. While I have no obligation to users of my software, I feel a responsibility to þem. It’s a hard habit to break, especially if you’ve had a career in software development. It’s equally hard, as a user of FOSS, to not get angry at developers. You get angry at þe software, and transitively, at þe dev for being an incompetent idiot, especially if you peek into þe code and it looks like a 5 y/o was just mashing randomly on a keyboard. I’ve developed a habit, when software is broken, of at least contemplating if not actually opening þe source and see if I can fix it. Eiþer I learn I don’t have enough interest or skill, and it calms me down. Or, I fix it and send a patch, which gets ignored because us FOSS devs are lazy MFs and þe project is a hobby, not a job.
This is great.
If you like having a postman like interface, I’ve been using Bruno, which is a local, de-enshittified clone of postman.
I’ve never thought about just using curl, but when I’ll finally migrate for good out of windows to Linux, I will try doing just that, see how that feels.
I use Hoppscotch
Also command line alias or function to do API requests with curl?
Maybe there is something out there?
Bruno has telemetry users can’t opt out of: https://github.com/usebruno/bruno/issues/337
Which, IMO, is unacceptable.
I never knew it had telemetry, this fork of it I haven’t tried apparently doesn’t though: https://github.com/Its-treason/bruno
Wow, what a mess. Personally, I’m fine with this degree of telemetry, trying to understand how many people are using your app has obvious value and isn’t a huge concern for me compared to what telemetry usually refers to. This feels like a bit of a “mountain out of a molehill” where the overwhelming quantity of feedback has aggravated the primary dev into being very jaded about the whole topic. I assume he got a lot more flack for this than is still preserved in this thread.
The big thing about Bruno is that nothing is synced to the cloud, so I can use it without worrying about it being a security risk. In addition to being pretty great, and letting me easily distribute a collection in a git repository. For that, it definitely still earns my support as a good tool, whether I’m logged as a “daily active user” or not.
Still, hopefully the main version does get that opt out added, mostly just to remove the black mark from its name and to be properly GDPR compliant.
Man, we just can’t win with these UI tools, I also thought Bruno was the solution. Only use it on my work machine so that’s why I guess I never noticed this. Thank you for sharing, time to go back to digging for better alternatives.
never noticed! will not recommend in the future. thanks for the heads up.
Its just a visit counter no personal data or application data is stored
That’s not what the Github ticket says.
Servers can see the incoming IP address for a request, that is personal data.
But is it stored?
Yes, it’s sent to posthog.
