I say, love the propagandist. Not their propaganda. Love them as a person. Understand their ideology comes from a place of hurt. Make them want what you have. A settled mind and a clean soul. Im not saying you can change them but I’ll listen to the person who can defuse a shouting match over the people shouting, every time.
The goal wouldn’t be to swoon the propagandist to your side. It would be to take away their power. That power comes from people listening. If you can expose them to be consumed by only their own opinion you take that power away.
Also, disengage. We are scared, terrified, of words. They provoke us, and we give them power. Stand tall on your own morals and let the waves crash on your shores. Dont get swept to sea every time a storm is raging.
I’m kinda thinking that your strategy is too expensive. Like, you say
I say, love the propagandist. Not their propaganda. Love them as a person.
In my opinion, love is expensive and a lot of people simply can’t afford it, i.e. they don’t have the emotional carrying-capacity that it takes. You need a lot of patience to deal with difficult people, and i mean a lot of it. Ain’t nobody got the time for that.
I wonder how economics plays into this. Anyways, any strategy that works must respect the economics of the game and be at least somewhat efficient overall. For example, shutting out news media from your field of vision and only listening to local news that your neighbors tell you (as i explained in another comment in this thread) is more efficient because you waste less time going through the potentially infinite amounts of bullshit that “news” media throw at you, and instead give you more time to focus on your local community; one where you will actually be rewarded if you make it thrive, because you’re more directly affected by it.
Your take is magnitudes greater than others who are combative and hostile. If people could comprehend instinctively what is propaganda and not fall victim to it. Your idea would be great. That’s the only thing preventing it. Most people have to be able to understand what propaganda is
Problem is, this is the education people need before it happens. Critical thinking. Once it’s part of their identity everything you say is just a lie aimed at dismantling what they “know” to be true.
Unfortunately republicans have been destroying education for decades, and Fox news and AM radio have been preying on the weak minded for just as long.
In 2012 the official GOP platform in Texas was to fight critical thinking education in public schools.
“We oppose the teaching of Higher Order Thinking Skills (HOTS) and critical thinking, which are skills that are intended to challenge the students’ fixed beliefs and undermine parental authority”
They caught backlash and dialed it in, came at it from new directions. Now it’s CRT and such.
No one said lies, I said opinions. Like your opinion of what’s undefendable will not be exactly the same to every other person opinion of what is undefendable.
If something is accused of being a lie, the accusation should come with evidence. If proven to be a lie then of course take it down.
However if my favorite color is teal and I take down someone’s post for saying their favorite’s indigo; then that is censorship based on bias, and should not be allowed.
The OP asked about combating propagandist. This can be anyone. Propagandist are of any ideology, theology, social group, culture. I feel my original answer is very healthy advice.
No one said lies, I said opinions. Like your opinion of what’s undefendable will not be exactly the same to every other person opinion of what is undefendable.
By the undefendable I mean stuffs like neo Nazism , settler colonialism, intentionally murdering innocent civilians etc. Those are not matter of opinions
How crude. A Nazi isn’t an opinion but Nazis would have opinions, as all people have opinions. What differentiates this, however, is that that being a Nazi is an action. They act out, have things they physically do, like cause harm.
Nazis think nazizm is an opinion. Propagandist thinks their propaganda is an opinion. Trump play over the term opinions too to promote undefendable actions. Nazism is an ideology so not not every nazi act but can promote statements that lead to real harmful actions on inocent people
After over a decade of consideration I came to similar conclusions. I’d like to add: a unifying national propaganda. The media used to be better about messaging. It’s important for a country to project its values in the form of unifying propaganda. It needs to be louder than the foreign propaganda stares at russia
Counter propaganda, informing people why it’s propaganda, and not mimicking propagandist by censoring alternative opinions.
Can I respond with out you taking it as an affront?
Maybe, give it a try.
Did you not like my answer?
I liked it but my criticism is it is binary. Like in a shouting match the only way to win is to shout louder.
What do you think should be done?
Youll just laugh it off.
I’m listening, what is it?
I say, love the propagandist. Not their propaganda. Love them as a person. Understand their ideology comes from a place of hurt. Make them want what you have. A settled mind and a clean soul. Im not saying you can change them but I’ll listen to the person who can defuse a shouting match over the people shouting, every time.
The goal wouldn’t be to swoon the propagandist to your side. It would be to take away their power. That power comes from people listening. If you can expose them to be consumed by only their own opinion you take that power away.
Also, disengage. We are scared, terrified, of words. They provoke us, and we give them power. Stand tall on your own morals and let the waves crash on your shores. Dont get swept to sea every time a storm is raging.
You can laugh now.
I’m kinda thinking that your strategy is too expensive. Like, you say
In my opinion, love is expensive and a lot of people simply can’t afford it, i.e. they don’t have the emotional carrying-capacity that it takes. You need a lot of patience to deal with difficult people, and i mean a lot of it. Ain’t nobody got the time for that.
I wonder how economics plays into this. Anyways, any strategy that works must respect the economics of the game and be at least somewhat efficient overall. For example, shutting out news media from your field of vision and only listening to local news that your neighbors tell you (as i explained in another comment in this thread) is more efficient because you waste less time going through the potentially infinite amounts of bullshit that “news” media throw at you, and instead give you more time to focus on your local community; one where you will actually be rewarded if you make it thrive, because you’re more directly affected by it.
Your take is magnitudes greater than others who are combative and hostile. If people could comprehend instinctively what is propaganda and not fall victim to it. Your idea would be great. That’s the only thing preventing it. Most people have to be able to understand what propaganda is
Why don’t you just say it, stop trying to be cute.
I’ve tried that so many times.
Problem is, this is the education people need before it happens. Critical thinking. Once it’s part of their identity everything you say is just a lie aimed at dismantling what they “know” to be true.
Unfortunately republicans have been destroying education for decades, and Fox news and AM radio have been preying on the weak minded for just as long.
In 2012 the official GOP platform in Texas was to fight critical thinking education in public schools.
They caught backlash and dialed it in, came at it from new directions. Now it’s CRT and such.
Lies and defending the undefendable should definitely be censored otherwise they multiplies
No one said lies, I said opinions. Like your opinion of what’s undefendable will not be exactly the same to every other person opinion of what is undefendable.
If something is accused of being a lie, the accusation should come with evidence. If proven to be a lie then of course take it down. However if my favorite color is teal and I take down someone’s post for saying their favorite’s indigo; then that is censorship based on bias, and should not be allowed.
The OP asked about combating propagandist. This can be anyone. Propagandist are of any ideology, theology, social group, culture. I feel my original answer is very healthy advice.
By the undefendable I mean stuffs like neo Nazism , settler colonialism, intentionally murdering innocent civilians etc. Those are not matter of opinions
How crude. A Nazi isn’t an opinion but Nazis would have opinions, as all people have opinions. What differentiates this, however, is that that being a Nazi is an action. They act out, have things they physically do, like cause harm.
Nazis think nazizm is an opinion. Propagandist thinks their propaganda is an opinion. Trump play over the term opinions too to promote undefendable actions. Nazism is an ideology so not not every nazi act but can promote statements that lead to real harmful actions on inocent people
After over a decade of consideration I came to similar conclusions. I’d like to add: a unifying national propaganda. The media used to be better about messaging. It’s important for a country to project its values in the form of unifying propaganda. It needs to be louder than the foreign propaganda stares at russia