I don’t get why a such law took so long, but late is better than never.
This is a new article from 1800, right? right?
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Abolish Marriage.
We don’t need the state or religious authorities dictating our relationships.
Amen, brother.
Need to do something for stuff like inheritance and visitation rights that’s currently coupled (pun intended) to marriage.
National Emergency Contact Database. Sign a piece of paper together to make each other emergency contacts in the eyes of the govt. have as many as you’d like!
Well in my ideal view we would abolish the state and abolish capitalism, so those things aren’t too much of an issue.
That would solve many problems, but stuff like “Who gets to visit you in the hospital?” and “who gets your personal belongings when you expire?” might need some thought. There are likely easy to solve, but still require some thought.
A will amd Power of Attorney do those without marriage. I’ve been with my partner for 15 years, unmarried, and haven’t had a problem with it yet.
I was in a car accident and spent two weeks unconcious in the ICU, so its not like its untested either.
True but a will and power of attourney are also more complicated and expensive to get
Cmopared to standard marriage, are they any better or just extra steps
Nope, you can get the forms online for free.
Wow, MISSOURI did that???
MISSOURI??!??
I’ll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missouri.
I’m thinking the tipping point has been reached, the pendulum is now moving away from conservatism, and we’ll see little upsets like this as rural states begin to shift back. Missouri is facing a hell of a medicaid cut which they can’t afford, that may ripple for a while.
Unfortunately they have short memory spans but eventually they’ll flip for a generation, like the New Deal era. People will just give up on MAGA and go the other way.
No they wont. They’ll continue to blame others and refuse to accept responsibility. There will be no pendulum swing because they will keep reinforcing themselves through radical fascist media expansion.
Republican men are probably throwing a fit that they won’t be able to legally groom and rape children for “family values” anymore
The year is 2025…
And America is still this ass backwards.
Least some good news for once.
The next time someone makes fun of shithole countries remind them that hundreds of 12yo are married in the US every year. And I guess their little bodies are ready for motherhood because many of them produce a baby in 4 or 6 mo after the wedding.
The usual shit that islamophobes would say is that ‘at least they aren’t 9’ even if many Islamic countries ban that shit and large age gaps in marriage (Egypt is one example) and many children marriages that do happen are between children. As in, an 11 year old girl is betrothed to a 14 year old boy (still not cool though). They also ignore that in many cases a man who does marry a little kid is often socially ostracized and treated like shit for doing that.
Western Chauvinism and Islamophobia have red-pilled so many promising minds into the intellectual sewer of bigotry.
And you can thank Zionists for being their main sponsors.
Yeah, I like listening to Sam Harris but goddamn does he rant against Islam a lot. I skip through a lot of his Israel takes, as he apparently thinks all Palestinians are Hamas.
How can anyone still take the New Atheist movement seriously after October 7?
Um, that’s great and everything, but it’s still too young. Your brain doesn’t finish developing until you’re 25, and the brain is the part of the body you’re concerned about when you’re making laws about when somebody should be able to make a big decision like getting married.
Baby steps, It’s Missouri.
This isn’t true. The study you are referring to was simply funded to that point in time and there has not been a repeat study or any sort of extended work on that front, that’s simply when the study stopped. The more likely explanation is that your brain never stops developing. Also, the concept of child and adult are constructs, at some point we are old enough to think and act on our own and there is no universal marker for that change in rationality and behavior or any bar for where that divide line is drawn. The idea that people shouldn’t be allowed to practice autonomy until 25 is just coddling and absurd.
Which study are you talking about? This is the mainstream view of neuroscientists.
Here’s what I got from MentalHealthDaily (sources at the bottom of the article):
Neuroscientists largely agree that the human brain hasn’t fully developed until (at least) the mid-20s.
It may seem logical that those aged 18 to 25 are completely mature, the brain still is maturing – specifically the area known as the “prefrontal cortex.” Changes occurring between ages 18 and 25 are essentially a continued process of brain development that started during puberty. When you’re 18, you’re roughly halfway through the entire stage of development. The prefrontal cortex doesn’t have nearly the functional capacity at age 18 as it does at 25.
This means that some people may have major struggles with impulsive decisions and planning behavior to reach a goal. The brain’s reward system tends to reach a high level of activation during puberty, then gradually drifts back to normal activation when a person reaches roughly the age of 25. Adults over the age of 25 tend to feel less sensitive to the influence of peer pressure and have a much easier time handling it.
The research didn’t continue after the participants reached the age of 25, the study was ended. We only have data up to that point, there hasn’t been a similar study done that kept the research and observations conducted past the age of 25. We only have information from one study that brought the gathered information to that point, we don’t know how the brain continues to develop from beyond that point. To me, that doesn’t translate to brain development stops at 25, it just means we only have collected data from one study that documented the first 25 years of brain development and activity of its research participants, we can’t say we know what the path of brain development is after that because we simply don’t have the data.
Okay, I’ve got the consensus of neuroscientists on the one side, and then I’ve got a rando on Lemmy who can’t even cite a study on the other. You gotta give me more to go on here.
Also, they aren’t saying that the brain stops changing at 25; they’re saying that it’s mature at 25. These are two different things. The rest of your body changes as you get older, so it would make sense that your brain does, too.
The important part is the prefrontal cortex isn’t fully developed until your mid-20s. That’s why you make a lot of rash and stupid decisions when you’re 18-25.
I was a bit out of date, but thanks for the article, it was helpful. It’s a journalism piece interpreting multiple scientific studies, though, not a study. If you check the sources on the multiple actual studies they are referencing in it you will notice many of those studies observed that development and “maturity”, whatever that qualifies as, continues into your 30’s on average, the age of 25 is a pretty ambiguous marker for anything in the information provided from studies and there is no evidence that there is any kind of universal rate for everyone as far as what age your grey matter starts to decline in development, but the curve is well over 25. I still stand on my opinion that autonomy should be respected well before you’re 25.
“Do you know any kids who have been married at age 12? I do. And guess what? They’re still married,” Moon said in response to questioning by Democratic state Representative Peter Merideth.
Child brides aren’t old enough to divorce their husbands.
Old enough to marry but too young to divorce. That’s the stupidest thing I’ve heard this week.
Rep. Hardy Billington, R-Poplar Bluff, was among the few who spoke against the bill, arguing that barring pregnant teenagers from getting married would increase abortion rates.
“We all claim to be pro-life here in the body,” Billington said. “Now we’re going to vote on this bill where babies are going to die.”
Disgusting. What a pitiful excuse to enable the trafficking of children. I’m ashamed to live here. There’s no fucking guarantee that it would even increase abortion rate, this guy is a closeted pedophile looking out for his ilk.
Apparently he’s been spouting this bullshit for at least the past year. Not to mention he’s also a homophobe.
Sounds like an old guy from the 50s, who still clings to 50s social mores and stigmas, unaware that being a single mother isn’t the massive taboo he remembers it being.
Checks Hardy Billington’s Wikipedia page
Born 1952 or 1953 (age 71–72)
Aaaaaand there we have it. Not sure why his exact birthdate isn’t known. In fact the only notable thing on that page is about him expressing opposition to another child marriage bill that was proposed last year. Imagine having “strongly endorses child marriage” as the one and only legacy from your 70+ years of life. Gross.
for anyone surprised at this, I learned from an Ask Lemmy thread that the age of sexual consent in well over half of the USA is 16 years old, in something like 30 states.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent_in_the_United_States
up until that point I figured it was 18 across the US.
I was real wrong.
As bad as that is, a kid doesn’t have to be anywhere near the age of consent for their parents to marry them off to an old man (let’s be real, that’s what’s happening).
And since they aren’t old enough to be the one consenting to the marriage, they can’t file for divorce and if they try to escape, they are treated as run aways and returned to their abuser (again, let’s be real, that’s what’s happening).
Statuary rape is legal if the poor child’s parents consent. And they can do it in 36 US states. Including California. Do better.
Shower thought: maybe there should be an age / 2 + 7 law for marriage, with the minimum age of the youngest involved in the marriage being 18.
Then you don’t get any of that 50 yo people marrying 18 year olds anymore. Instead, those would have to look at 32 years.
Well, that’s just a rule of general not-being-a-creep. I think a better law is: No one can consent to marriage (or sex) for someone else, ever, including parents.
It seems pretty obvious: if you can’t sign a legally binding contract, you can’t sign a marriage contract.
In the UK and many other developed countries also. Seems quite standard. America likes to infantise the youth so it’ll be 25 before long.
“Infantise” while trying to shut down child marriages.
Fuck off.
Swearing won’t make your argument stronger. It’s just rude.
My comment wasn’t in relation to child marriages. That is wrong and illegal in most countries. The debate is because an American doesn’t really understand the context in other countries.
Here in the UK, age of consent is 16. Most have already been at stuff at 14, 15 etc. All raising age does is punish 17 year olds getting busy. A 16 and 17 year old had sex in Dubai, both from the UK where it is legal. He got locked up when her mum reported it. It’ll just create criminal records for young folk and you know it’ll not be enforced with white youths. Just another way to swell the prison population.
US are weirdly prudish when it comes to sex yet award ceremonies and the young are watching the celebs walk in in see through clothes. Truly baffling to outside observers.
I think they were refering to the drinking age. It’s beyond fucking stupid you need to be 21 to drink in the US.
That’s our own fault though. The number 1 demographic causing drunk driving accidents was people 18 to 21. Making it so that they couldn’t drink in bars made them more likely to stay home to drink.
It makes more sense (in my opinion) to require you to be 21 to drive a car. Cars are fucking death traps.
And if it fails, you know whoever voted for it to not pass is a child predator. Hopefully there’s a list of people who voted “no” on it that gets leaked so people, especially parents, know who to cut contact with.
I mean, basically every Republican legislature or executive is a child predator. It’s like a prerequisite to join the party. Their ratings don’t drop when they’re exposed.
to think they project conspiracy theories saying the left is full of satanist pedos.
its kind of impressive how effective their brainwashing is. they got hardcore into the heads of their electorate.
