Hamad said that Palestinians are the victims of the occupation, therefore no one should blame them for the events of October 7 or anything else, adding: “Everything we do is justified.”

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    And this is the big long-term problem with Israel’s campaign of open genocide. They don’t care how many innocents are killed as long as they wipe out Hamas, but in the process, they’re inspiring more fanaticism in the region and fueling Hamas and other similar groups. Both Hamas and the Israeli government are terrorist organizations and they have a symbiotic relationship. The only real losers here are the innocent people caught in the middle.

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      Forgive my uninformed position here, but I’m sure they are aware that you can’t defeat terrorism by murdering the ever living piss-fuck out of everyone. There must be another motivation for just killing everyone.

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          Is taking their land effective though? Wouldn’t it just spawn cells within the newly acquired territory or other regions and continue?

          So much hate can only spawn more hate.

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            Not in the formerly Palestinian territory, because all the Palestinians would be dead.

            In other areas, such as nearby majority Muslim countries like Lebanon and Syria, yes, but then Israel could argue that they were being attacked as a nation, even more like 9/11 than the Oct 7th attack. They could use that as justification for strikes into those countries, since everyone let the US do it in Iraq and Afghanistan.

            It just depends on how much they want to go for the military victory.

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            That’s the best part then you can steal more land! israel just keeps magically gaining land! The ever expanding lebensraum for the chosen people!

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        Well… yeah? Ain’t no one hear saying Hamas are the good guys. Just the second part of a two-headed parasite thats attached itself to the people if Israel/Palestine.

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          Except there are a lot of people like the first half of the parent I replied to that have a “Israel reaped what they sowed on October 6” attitude. But somehow don’t have a similar “they have reaped what they sowed” attitude towards Gaza right now.

          Which isn’t quite right.

          No one wants to share their toys since 1917. Both sides have alternatingly done ugly things that are, to our modern sensibilities, probably war crimes and ethnic cleansing. Previously, it was just war.

          We did the same/worse things to Native Americans. Spain and Portugal did the same/worse things to the Aztecs and Incas. Britain did the same/worse things to almost everyone.

          I just don’t think either side is justified but pretending like Palestine is any more or less of a victim than Israel in this whole mess doesn’t really seem to ring true if you look at the whole history.

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            Knowing the cause of something does not excuse it. Just helps you better understand it, and how to prevent it in the future.

            Saying Israel’s actions have a direct relationship with Hamas activity is not supporting Hamas. Its saying their actions are antithetical to a peaceful resolution, nothing else.

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      I think founding Israel where it is was a huge geopolitical mistake, but I don’t know how that knowledge helps at all today when that mistake is completely solidified.

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        It helps so people remember why Palestinians are upset in the first place.

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          Yeah cool motive still doesn’t justify a charter explicitly supporting the murder of all Jews in the world

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            I think hostility towards trespassers is kind of recognized across the world

            Doesn’t justify murder of Jews across the world of course, that’s not ethical. But it is understandable why Zionists deserve some flak for occupying land they stole with the help of Western colonists

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            Does the existence of such a charter justify the killing of civilians?

            What about the blockade?

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        Thank you. Let us start working with the status quo. Israel right now is starting to realise that netanyahu is not the right guy and palrstinians/gazans need to accept, that they are mere cettle to hamas/abbas.

        Also the arab world needs to work on this compromise with the palestinians and stop using them as propaganda tools.

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    Don’t think there is any ambiguity on Hamas policy. Think it is time to take them out entirely.

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      While Israel is oppressing Palestinians, there will always be someone like Hamas.

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        And if Hamas thinks that Israel does not have a right to exists and they have the right to kill everyone there, the occupation wasn’t necessary. It’s a vicious circle. Hamas is not in position to present themselves as victims. Their agenda is unconditional and the occupation is not the reason they kill people. They simply lie.

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          The occupation is the reason they got volunteers and supporters in the first place. What are they gonna do without those who volunteer to fight for them, and the support that they got to take control of the region?

          The occupation gave them everything they needed, and even made them the people’s last hope. Cannot get any more generous than that.

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          Why don’t you fuck back off to world news on reddit, they love supporting genocide over there, you’ll fit right in.

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            And we all keep our own little eco chambers. You are not interessted in solving the problem but “virtue” signalling.

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      You: “its easy Billy. Just kill all the terrorists.”

      Billy : “But wont that also kill countless civilians in the process, creating distraught and enraged people who might take up arms to be terrorists in revenge?”

      You: “Of course, just keep killing and killing and killing civilians, and I’m sure eventually we will have killed enough to make that impossible.”

      Billy: “So…Genocide then.”

      You : “yes.”

      Real reasoned and excellent stance. Maybe Israel can fight a 8 trillion dollar forever war for 20 years that kills millions like the US did, and still have Hamas. What a good idea.

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    I mean … they certainly have the spirit of a warrior… too bad that they in the body of squirrels.