Okay, we need the actual “tweet” of Omar and the RNC Research “tweet” in an archive form. Is xcancel working for everyone else? I know it’s a lot to ask, so everyone else, please help. Everyone has an hour.
Nope.
fixed
Thank ye
(preface: I agree that trump has done multiple executable offenses)
She tweeted “we execute pedophiles not elect them.” While retweeting a Trump quote, so it’s kinda clear who she was referring to without any admission of his pedophilia.
The headline is written that way because Omar’s full statement was:
The leader of the Pedophile Protection Party is trying to deflect attention from his name being all over the Epstein files.
At least in Somalia they execute pedophiles not elect them.
Kumar is lying by omission to make the joke work.
Plus, she said “In Somalia, they…” and he quoted her as saying “In Somalia, we…”
Good catch. So many layers of propaganda it’s hard to notice and resist them all.
Nevertheless, “RNC Research[sic]” is answering to “Pedophile Protection Party.” They could have claimed they aren’t protecting pedophiles and so it must have been referring to some other party and not them, but that’s not the part of the statement they’re objecting to.
Since you put it in scare quotes, here’s what RNC Research is. (MS NOW is an openly biased opinion source, but it shouldn’t take a lot of convincing that this is an obvious MAGA propaganda account.)
Anyway, the MAGA propaganda account that is RNC Research is answering to the full Omar quote, which is transparently directed at Trump. I’m not going to abide the doublethink of “Mainstream media needs to stop letting Trump and the far-right skirt responsibility for their statements by dressing them up in plausible deniability; they need to state what he’s obviously, actually saying” (they do, and I see that sentiment here all the time) and “Wow, this account is calling Trump a pedophile by cutting through the plausible deniability speak and acknowledging who literally everyone knows Omar meant when she said this.”
Even if I were somehow delusional enough at this point to think Trump is not a child rapist, it’s still trivially obvious who Omar means, and pretending otherwise is grossly disingenuous. You don’t inherently have to believe an insult to recognize who’s being insulted.
I mean it’s a good idea.
Eh, there are definitely pedophiles who will never touch a child or consume CSAM. People who have an attraction to children should be allowed to seek help without fear of being killed.
A decent chunk of sex crimes are motivated by exerting power over the weak, rather than sexual attraction.
But the second they harm a child or consume CSAM, execution is warranted.
Sorry I was responding to “Ilhan Omar calls to execute president Trump”.
People who seek help and don’t abuse anyone are ok.
If I’m being absolutely fair, I can also see how, if a pedophile knows that they are caught being a pedophile that the death penalty is assured, then there is the chance that they will simply kill their victims because there is a chance that they will simply get life in prison instead of being executed for their crimes.
Maybe as an alternative, the person who commits pedophilia loses everything they own to their victim. Trump would no longer be a billionaire, he would be a poor schmuck that used to have a TV show that literal tens of millions of Americans despise to their very soul.
Pedophilia isn’t a verb, though. My point was that there is a difference between someone attracted to children and a child rapist (even though it makes me feel gross to make the point). Being attracted to children doesn’t mean you’ll ever act on that attraction.
Without them harming children or consuming material whose production harmed children, punishing them is basically punishing thought crime. I think everyone who wants to get help so they never do it should be able to.
But I do agree that the death penalty could have the effect you described. I love your solution.
Would be nice if there was term that lumped in those who sexually abuse minors directly (regardless of the person’s attractions) and those who consume CSAM that wasn’t simultaneously the term to describe the sexual or romantic attraction to children. But any attempt at trying to separate the two frequently seems to be portrayed as somehow defending those who abuse children or some similar baseless accusation.
Still agree with the intended message of Ilhan (although perhaps execution is perhaps to forgiving to those involved with Epstein).
Yeah. Both are disgusting, but they aren’t the same thing. I don’t know if I’m convinced the nuance is worth muddying the waters though.
Execution is barbaric. Lock them up instead. Let’s be better than the lowest common dominator.
If the system actually rehabilitated them, sure. However, all it will do is allow them to continue to exert power from within a room which they will quickly walk free from. Now if they froze all the funds associated with the person, maybe it’d be fine, but that’s not what the current system does.
I didn’t realize how ambiguous my comment was, but I was thinking of the headline, not Omar’s comment.
If we made it a new rule that if you commit pedophilia, you die, I don’t think many people are gonna cry about that.
I would absolutely cry about it. Who are you trusting to enforce the death penalty? The same people who are 1) in government, and 2) accuse queer people of being groomers?
Even without arguing over whether the state would abuse/abuses the death penalty, there’s the fact that the punishment is irreversible, which in the event of a mistake means you execute an innocent person.
Yep. The only way to justify the death penalty in a system we know for a fact convicts people we later prove to be innocent is to be ok with executing some innocent people.
I’m very comfortable saying that even a single innocent person killed by the state is too high a cost to pay.
I wish that were true but aggregate polling like RealClearPolitics still puts Trump’s approval above 40%.
Depends on who gets to make the ruling.
Subscribed to a [whatever]Moe community on Lemmy? Straight to the firing squad.
I wouldn’t cry about pedophiles specifically, but I am against the death penalty in general.
THEY not WE.
Even her defenders and allies “other” her. FFS
So they’re admitting it!
Republicans: So by making a pedophile president, we are the opposite of Somalia? Excellent.
They knew whom the shoe fits…
