For certain! Both my life and that of 3 other guys would have been ruined if the judge chose to just believe the first girl I was with.
They would later go on to say that they lied on every single one of them. Tho, it didn’t help the youngest one and latest they accused. He still got bullied out of the school they were in.
People downvoting you cause they can’t handle the truth that stuff like that actually happens. It conflicts with their worldview in which women never lie and men are never falsely accused.
Say this in some places and they’ll either call you a rapist or a rape apologist. It’s the same as when cops say “If you’re not doing anything wrong then why do you need rights? If you don’t have any drugs then why won’t you let me search your vehicle?”
Ask them if people should have believed Emmett Till’s accusers and they’ll say “THAT’S DIFFERENT” without really being able to explain how…
P.S., Epstein is a scumbag and all his associates should burn. Nothing in this comment is intended to be read as an excusal of them, but rather as an argument against overgeneralizing it to treat all men as guilty unless proven innocent
That’s something that’s always infuriated me. “Believe Women” isn’t supposed to be “Immediately take accusation as fact and consider the accused guilty,” it’s supposed to be “Don’t dismiss the accusation outright, take it seriously and investigate it,” but because of the social consequences of what they’re being accused of, if someone does end up lying then the damage has already been done by the time the truth comes out.
But it’s not like we can fix this by just cracking down hard on “false allegations” either, because then guys like those in the files will just have direct State backed ways to keep real victims quiet by just having a better lawyer and “proving” they made false allegations. What real victim is gonna come forward if there’s a chance that not getting believed could land them in prison for making a false allegation?
So like… the fuck do we even do here? We can’t let innocent people’s lives be ruined either by having false allegations levied at them, but the people who actually had this happen to them and already had their lives ruined don’t deserve to be dismissed out of hand either. I genuinely don’t know what to do.
Too many people get caught up in what it’s “supposed to be” about, and they’ll skewer anyone for pointing out how it actually plays out.
“MeToo isn’t about falsely accusing men! It’s about getting victim’s voices heard!” Okay? That doesn’t change the fact that the momentum has been abused to paint with a broad brush and verifiably false accusations have ruined people’s lives.
People need to understand that if you want to press charges, you need to present evidence in court. Which means victims need to go to the hospital and get a forensics panel done within 72 hours of the incident, and the sooner the better. It has to be done before washing, too.
I understand that can be uncomfortable, and the system should be designed to keep them as comfortable as possible during the process. But it’s the only way to prove what happened in court, unless it’s on video.
And people will say I’m victim blaming by saying that the victim has a responsibility to gather evidence, but it’s the cold hard reality and I couldn’t change that even if I wanted to. And if I was a rape apologist then why would I encourage actual victims to gather indisputable proof of what happened?
But if you get falsely accused and say “There’s no evidence of that because it didn’t happen,” then people will counterintuitively perceive your denial of evidence as an admission of guilt for some reason. It’s like when they say using the word “alleged” means you’re actually guilty. No, it means something was alleged. Pointing out that something was unproven or unprovable is not a confession of wrongdoing.
It’s reached the point of absurdity to be honest, and I feel like the ones knowingly leveling false accusations are the most vehement about it, because they don’t want to get caught out in a lie. “How dare you demand evidence?” That sorta thing.
And it doesn’t help actual victims, because who’s going to take them seriously when they’re drowned out in a flood of shamelessly false accusations?
Weaponizing MeToo against innocent men as retaliation for perceived slights is counterproductive and contributes to the culture of not believing victims.
But you can’t even address these issues without someone saying “seems sus”
False accusations should have strong punishments, but that doesn’t mean every accusation should result in either the accuser or the accused being punished. Not being able to prove someone is telling the truth does not mean you can prove they are lying, especially when the confidence threshold is proof beyond reasonable doubt.
I personally think that false accusations should theoretically be covered already as perjury and libel, but I don’t think that actually happens often.
For certain! Both my life and that of 3 other guys would have been ruined if the judge chose to just believe the first girl I was with.
They would later go on to say that they lied on every single one of them. Tho, it didn’t help the youngest one and latest they accused. He still got bullied out of the school they were in.
People downvoting you cause they can’t handle the truth that stuff like that actually happens. It conflicts with their worldview in which women never lie and men are never falsely accused.
Say this in some places and they’ll either call you a rapist or a rape apologist. It’s the same as when cops say “If you’re not doing anything wrong then why do you need rights? If you don’t have any drugs then why won’t you let me search your vehicle?”
Ask them if people should have believed Emmett Till’s accusers and they’ll say “THAT’S DIFFERENT” without really being able to explain how…
P.S., Epstein is a scumbag and all his associates should burn. Nothing in this comment is intended to be read as an excusal of them, but rather as an argument against overgeneralizing it to treat all men as guilty unless proven innocent
That’s something that’s always infuriated me. “Believe Women” isn’t supposed to be “Immediately take accusation as fact and consider the accused guilty,” it’s supposed to be “Don’t dismiss the accusation outright, take it seriously and investigate it,” but because of the social consequences of what they’re being accused of, if someone does end up lying then the damage has already been done by the time the truth comes out.
But it’s not like we can fix this by just cracking down hard on “false allegations” either, because then guys like those in the files will just have direct State backed ways to keep real victims quiet by just having a better lawyer and “proving” they made false allegations. What real victim is gonna come forward if there’s a chance that not getting believed could land them in prison for making a false allegation?
So like… the fuck do we even do here? We can’t let innocent people’s lives be ruined either by having false allegations levied at them, but the people who actually had this happen to them and already had their lives ruined don’t deserve to be dismissed out of hand either. I genuinely don’t know what to do.
Too many people get caught up in what it’s “supposed to be” about, and they’ll skewer anyone for pointing out how it actually plays out.
“MeToo isn’t about falsely accusing men! It’s about getting victim’s voices heard!” Okay? That doesn’t change the fact that the momentum has been abused to paint with a broad brush and verifiably false accusations have ruined people’s lives.
People need to understand that if you want to press charges, you need to present evidence in court. Which means victims need to go to the hospital and get a forensics panel done within 72 hours of the incident, and the sooner the better. It has to be done before washing, too.
I understand that can be uncomfortable, and the system should be designed to keep them as comfortable as possible during the process. But it’s the only way to prove what happened in court, unless it’s on video.
And people will say I’m victim blaming by saying that the victim has a responsibility to gather evidence, but it’s the cold hard reality and I couldn’t change that even if I wanted to. And if I was a rape apologist then why would I encourage actual victims to gather indisputable proof of what happened?
But if you get falsely accused and say “There’s no evidence of that because it didn’t happen,” then people will counterintuitively perceive your denial of evidence as an admission of guilt for some reason. It’s like when they say using the word “alleged” means you’re actually guilty. No, it means something was alleged. Pointing out that something was unproven or unprovable is not a confession of wrongdoing.
It’s reached the point of absurdity to be honest, and I feel like the ones knowingly leveling false accusations are the most vehement about it, because they don’t want to get caught out in a lie. “How dare you demand evidence?” That sorta thing.
And it doesn’t help actual victims, because who’s going to take them seriously when they’re drowned out in a flood of shamelessly false accusations?
Weaponizing MeToo against innocent men as retaliation for perceived slights is counterproductive and contributes to the culture of not believing victims.
But you can’t even address these issues without someone saying “seems sus”
False accusations should have strong punishments, but that doesn’t mean every accusation should result in either the accuser or the accused being punished. Not being able to prove someone is telling the truth does not mean you can prove they are lying, especially when the confidence threshold is proof beyond reasonable doubt.
I personally think that false accusations should theoretically be covered already as perjury and libel, but I don’t think that actually happens often.