It always feels like some form of VR tech comes out with some sort of fanfare and with a promise it will take over the world, but it never does.

    • Tar_Alcaran@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      7
      ·
      6 hours ago

      AI is great, LLMs are useless.

      They’re massively expensive, yet nobody is willing to pay for it, so it’s a gigantic money burning machine.

      They create inconsistent results by their very nature, so you can, definitionally, never rely on them.

      It’s an inherent safety nightmare because it can’t, by its nature, distinguish between instructions and data.

      None of the company desperately trying to sell LLMs have even an idea of how to ever make a profit off of these things.

      • Perspectivist@feddit.uk
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        6
        arrow-down
        6
        ·
        6 hours ago

        LLMs are AI. ChatGPT alone has over 800 million weekly users. If just one percent of them are paying, that’s 8 million paying customers. That’s not “nobody.”

        That sheer volume of weekly users also shows the demand is clearly there, so I don’t get where the “useless” claim comes from. I use one to correct my writing all the time - including this very post - and it does a pretty damn good job at it.

        Relying on an LLM for factual answers is a user error, not a failure of the underlying technology. An LLM is a chatbot that generates natural-sounding language. It was never designed to spit out facts. The fact that it often does anyway is honestly kind of amazing - but that’s a happy accident, not an intentional design choice.

        • Tar_Alcaran@sh.itjust.works
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          7
          ·
          edit-2
          5 hours ago

          ChatGPT alone has over 800 million weekly users. If just one percent of them are paying, that’s 8 million paying customers. That’s not “nobody.”

          Yes, it is. A 1% conversion rate is utterly pathetic and OpenAI should be covering its face in embarrassment if that’s. I think WinRAR might have a worse conversion rate, but I can’t think of any legitimate company that bad. 5% would be a reason to cry openly and beg for more people.

          Edit: it seems like reality is closer to 2%, or 4% if you include the legacy 1 dollar subscribers.

          That sheer volume of weekly users also shows the demand is clearly there,

          Demand is based on cost. OpenAI is losing money on even its most expensive subscriptions, including the 230 euro pro subscription. Would you use it if you had to pay 10 bucks per day? Would anyone else?

          If they handed out free overcooked rice delivered to your door, there would be a massive demand for overcooked rice. If they charged you a hundred bucks per month, demand would plummet.

          Relying on an LLM for factual answers is a user error, not a failure of the underlying technology.

          That’s literally what it’s being marketed as. It’s on literally every single page openAI and its competitors publish. It’s the only remotely marketable usecase they have, because these things are insanely expensive to run, and they’re only getting MORE expensive.

    • Rothe@piefed.social
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      12
      ·
      7 hours ago

      It can’t really reliably do any of the stuff which it is marketed as being able to do, and it is a huge security risk. Not to mention the huge climate issues for something with so little gain.

    • Goldholz @lemmy.blahaj.zone
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      13
      ·
      8 hours ago

      The cost to maintain it? The enviormental impact? The impact its enormouse energie consumption on everyday people (rising costs imensly)?

    • Chais@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      5
      ·
      7 hours ago

      It’s quite bad at what we’re told it’s supposed to do (producing reliably correct responses), hallucinating up to 40% of the time.
      It’s also quite bad at not doing what it’s not supposed to. Meaning the “guardrails” that are supposed to prevent it from giving harmful information can usually be circumvented by rephrasing the prompt or some form of “social” engineering.
      And on top of all that we don’t actually understand how they work in a fundamental level. We don’t know how LLMs “reason” and there’s every reason to assume they don’t actually understand what they’re saying. Any attempt to have the LLM explain its reasoning is of course for naught, as the same logic applies. It just makes up something that approximately sounds like a suitable line of reasoning.
      Even for comparatively trivial networks, like the ones used for written number recognition, that we can visualise entirely, it’s difficult to tell how the conclusion is reached. Some neurons seem to detect certain patterns, others seem to be just noise.

      • Perspectivist@feddit.uk
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        4
        arrow-down
        3
        ·
        6 hours ago

        You seem to be focusing on LLMs specifically, which are just one subcategory of AI. Those terms aren’t synonymous.

        The main issue here seems to be mostly a failure to meet user expectations rather than the underlying technology failing at what it’s actually designed for. LLM stands for Large Language Model. It generates natural-sounding responses to prompts - and it does this exceptionally well.

        If people treat it like AGI - which it’s not - then of course it’ll let them down. That’s like cursing cruise control for driving you into a ditch. It’s actually kind of amazing that an LLM gets any answers right at all. That’s just a side effect of being trained on a ton of correct information - not what it’s designed to do. So it’s like cruise control that’s also a somewhat decent driver, people forget what it really is, start relying on it for steering, and then complain their “autopilot” failed when all they ever had was cruise control.

        I don’t follow AI company claims super closely so I can’t comment much on that. All I know is plenty of them have said reaching AGI is their end goal, but I haven’t heard anyone actually claim their LLM is generally intelligent.

        • Chais@sh.itjust.works
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          4
          ·
          6 hours ago

          I know they’re not synonymous. But at some point someone left the marketing monkeys in charge of communication.
          My point is that our current “AI” is inadequate at what we’re told is its purpose and should it ever become adequate (which the current architecture shows no sign of being capable) we’re in a lot of trouble because then we’ll have no way to control an intelligence vastly superior to our own.

          So our current position on that journey is bad and the stated destination is undesirable, so it would be in our net interest to stop walking.

        • Tar_Alcaran@sh.itjust.works
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          4
          ·
          edit-2
          6 hours ago

          If people treat it like AGI - which it’s not - then of course it’ll let them down.

          People treat it like the thing it’s being sold as. The LLM boosters are desperately trying to sell LLMs as coworkers and assistants and problemsolvers.