After immigrants are detained by ICE, there are probably records somewhere of who has an attorney, and who is calling family members or an attorney.
For the immigrants who aren’t calling any family or lawyers, the poorest of the poor, people with little to no connection to anyone, who may not even say which country they are from, if the administration were actually trying to kill as many disconnected immigrants as possible in secret, would society know?
For example, if the administration was composed of all types of conservative people, but 30 percent were secretly Nazis or wanted racial genocide, could there be a campaign to not just remove, but kill, immigrants, and the public doesn’t find out?
Possible, but highly unlikely.
For starters, if that many were killed, I think it’d be really hard to keep a lid on it these days.
Secondly, I’ve done a lot of reading on the atrocities of WW2, and two immediate constraints come to mind:
Nazis weren’t able to fly easily over the ocean during WW2. You wouldn’t be able to reach Holocaust numbers with a plane, but I think “deporting” people but dumping them into the ocean could be possible and seems easy to hide.
I think you underestimate the creativity and power of these people.
It’s exactly like ww2. People just didn’t want to see it. It will come out at some point. I am certain the USA is already using German KZ methods.
It’s worth remembering that something like 5% of the population is sociopathic. That’s a lot of people who are morally compromised.
I’d like to add that these people are evil, but also monumentally stupid. If anything like that happened you could be sure that the perpetrators would brag about it on social media.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasily_Blokhin
Blokhin was selected for the position by Joseph Stalin in 1926 and led a company of executioners that performed and supervised numerous mass killings in the Soviet Union during Stalin’s reign, mostly during the Great Purge and Eastern Front of World War II.[1] Blokhin is recorded as having executed tens of thousands of prisoners by his own hand, including his killing of about 7,000 Polish prisoners of war during the Katyn massacre in spring 1940, making him the most prolific official executioner in recorded world history.[1][2][3] Blokhin was forced into retirement in 1953 after the death of Stalin and condemned during de-Stalinization shortly before his death in 1955.
I’m interested to learn more about this, could you point me in the right direction?
It’s not just the SS, the Wehrmacht also “suffered” from having to shoot all these people. Read up on Babij Jar, Ukraine. Even Himmler is on record expressing sympathy for his killers. That’s why the bullet based plan turns into a gas based one. Because it’s “easier” to flip a switch on a room full of people than to shoot naked people to fall on other corpses already in the ditch.
I was taught that the original plan was scrapped because it was seen as wasteful of ammunition, which was more and more of a problem in the late war
Both are probably true. Not many classes teach about how badly the Nazis felt; while I’m sure many of them, especially the lower ranks, suffered immense mental trauma - you really can’t explain that without sounding a bit like a sympathizer.
Maybe I’m the weird one, but it doesn’t make much sense to me to be unable to talk about them experiencing mental trauma for what they’re doing without being able to separate the fact that it doesn’t make them sympathetic or absolve them of the crimes. Life is way too complicated to try and simplify things like that.
I felt the same way a year or two back when some story broke about an IDF soldier who committed suicide because of what they did to Palestinians. I can recognize that it would absolutely cause an immense toll on their psyche but also say that they deserved to feel that bad for it, though I’m not gonna celebrate the suicide personally
They’re already using military cargo planes for “deportation” flights. Maybe some don’t have any live passengers, and they just dump the bodies mid-ocean. No need for mass graves, just load cargo containers onto a cargo plane and off it goes. If it lands with one or two fewer than it started with, that’s just a paperwork issue.
Yes. And based on everything else that MAGA and billionaires have been caught doing and defending, I think there is almost certainly widespread sex trafficking and abuse of the detainees. Why else would the administration try so hard to prevent Congress from observing the facilities?
If the Trump thugs act this badly on the streets then how horribly much worse do you think people are being treated I’m these secret detention facilities completely hidden from public view? This IMO will be seen as one of the worst chapters of our country once all the truth comes out.
Bad enough to end the Republican party in the long run? Hopefully.
I’m not sure that your second point is still a constant, though this is just an opinion and I’m open to discussion on this. They seem to have solved the problem of people not being up to mass killings, through desensitization through social media (I’m thinking of telegram groups specifically). There have been a lot of cases shown recently of people taking outright glee in their and others’ grotesque murders, en masse.
Actually this is pretty good evidence they haven’t started doing that yet. There would be leaks.
to add to this point, they have driven cars through protestors and approved of people doing so.