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    The people who needed to be convinced think the New York Times is globalist propaganda. If they even noticed the existence of this article they would assume it was a made up smear campaign against Dear Leader.

    Also, our media (even the “liberal media”) is part of the problem. For example, they did such a terrible job explaining Trump’s attempts to steal the 2020 election that to this day even many anti-Trump Americans don’t understand how fucked up it was.

    The primary blame is on the sociopaths in charge and the troglodytes who voted them in, but there is plenty of guilt to go around.

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      The biggest lie of them all is the “Liberal” in liberal media

      All American media is essentially fascist, they’ve proven this beyond a doubt

      If there were even a HINT of an ALLEGATION that Biden or Obama were party to INFANTICIDE they would have burned DC to the ground. Now all the US media outlets are just participating in the damage control operation

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      I worked in news media in the Bush years and I got to see first hand how our national news promoted the lies coming from the Bush administration and helping spearhead support for an Iraq invasion.

      The media has been a problem for a long time.

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        NYT endorsed Iraq invasion even though there was no evidence of WMDs and the rest of the world was against it. Surprise, no WMDs were found.

        Interestingly, some companies did steal billions upon billions of dollars and we blew the national debt up. Strange that outcome …

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          NYT also sat on the story about NSA wiretapping US citizens for over a year at the behest of the Bush admin. Later, DNI Clapper would deny that spying on Americans happened “wittingly,” a denial which would push Edward Snowden to leak information thst proved otherwise.

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            The NYT also sat on the story of Trump having Maduro kidnapped. They (along with WaPo) were informed of the operation 24 hours before it happened.

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              Absolutely, but I think right now it’s important to be able to show that this behavior goes back decades and isn’t some new phenomenon that so many people act as though it is.

              The NSA story they sat on was in 2007 when they published it, so literally has been 20 years this year.

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                It goes back way before that too. During WWII they were firmly against the US entering the war and also against allowing Jewish refugees into the country.

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        I’m still pretty pissed off about that. It’s when I learned that a huge number of my fellow citizens are really stupid. Covid was when I learned that they’re also hateful pieces of shit.

        Freedom fries, you guys. Woohoo.

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        Iraq II - Shock and Awe was definitely a huge part of my political awakening. I’m still saddened (but no longer amazed) that more people didn’t figure it out at the time, and that so many still haven’t figured it out.

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          People still think the NYT is some left leaning (or even “far left” in some circles) source. It’s fucking absurd.

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          The pride I never had, the nationality that I never felt
          Saddam was bad, and the American’s even more so
          They made me grow like i was missing part of my torso
          But I never picked up a grenade in my garden
          I never saw people I love die starving
          I never saw my family die through many years of sanctions
          While the rulers family lived in palaces and mansions
          Never had a family member kidnapped for a ransom
          I never lost a friend to violence that was random
          Bombings, occupation, torture, intimidation
          A million dead people doesn’t equal liberation

          https://youtu.be/nOg8Roq8CtY

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      I don’t recall the media covering the fake electors of the Jan 6 coup hardly at all. The media loved to cover the big violent crowd becaus it was flashy. However, the fake elector scheme was the more significant crisis in my mind. That showed a planned and coordinated effort by people in power to subvert democracy.

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      No, the people who needed to be convinced were the on-the-fence independents who stupidly thought they’d get a better economy under “Trump the successful businessman” than Kamala “Joe Biden 2.0 Harris.” They’re the ones who dismissed Trump’s stated plans as bluster; the people you’re talking about knew he wasn’t joking and were counting on it.