My local pub is older than your “empire”
Unified Roman Empire which lasted from 27BC to 395AD (422 years): 👀
The Roman Empire really lasted from 27BC to 1453, the west was a dump when it fell, almost all the ressources and money and population were in the east anyway.
Yes, that’s why I specified Unified Roman Empire ᕕ(ᐛ)ᕗ
So Trump files leak is the first day of the Civil War?
Hopium
I see this meme all the time, which is an oversimplification. The 250 year time frame that people ascribe to is usually assigned to a country’s lifetime, but really, the time frame is the average length of a golden era of a country, not its existence. Rome lasted for 2,000 years and China today still exists. When the Chinese talk about this “250 year” thing, they would refer back to how long certain dynasties ruled, not China’s existence. Same with Rome having had its peak come and go while it existed until 1453. France also has had several golden ages as the bigger power in Europe from middle ages to Napoleonic era.
America won’t cease to exist, but it will not be the power it once was, and that’s okay (except for the ultranationalists). It’s okay to be humble.
The world works better without empires and super-powers.
My first thought was Egypt was old enough that there were ancient Egyptian scholars studying ancient-er Egypt. I could see it as a particular form of gov generally lasted that long and new dynasties etc would reset the counter. Your explaination makes much more sense.
Is she a snoo?
yhea, it’s a reddit meme
Statistical fallacy #420: Assuming the value of a random arbitrary element will necessarily be close to the mean or median of all elements.
It is collapsing, though not because of any 250 year tendency.
250 years is an observed pattern, but is not implied to be the cause
Sure, but the meme appears that way.
No it doesn’t, that’s just how you chose to interpret it.
That’s the way it came off to me 🤷
I really can’t come off to you, sorry
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You sure about that
Yep. The US Empire is collapsing because the global south is developing, and pivoting more towards south-south trade and mutual development over naked imperialism. The string of recent hard aggression is trying to install compradors to keep this scheme going for a bit longer, but the industrial base of the empire is hollowed out.
What if all of this happened because of a 250 year curse?!? Checkmate commies
Advanced enough dialectics is indistinguishable from a curse and a blessing.
If you don’t live in the US, Russia, China, India or Israel then you live in a vassal state. The global south isn’t developing independently. It’s being segmented between the US and China via soft or hard power (e.g. belt and road initiative). There is no revolution of the disenfranchised. It’s just major powers doing what major powers do as we enter a new geopolitical paradigm.
The global south is developing partially with the assistance of the PRC, yes, but there’s also general south-south trade and alliances, like the Alliance of Sahel States. The PRC isn’t imperialist, it isn’t plundering the global south. BRI has been enourmous for win-win economic development, compared to western enforced austerity and plundering.
Vassals of the empire include western Europe, Israel, Austrailia, etc, imperialist powers that don’t outweigh the US Empire but still benefit from imperialism. The global south aren’t vassals, they are imperialized (but breaking free). The new geopolitical paradigm will be marked by a rise in the global south, having escaped underdevelopment, and the decline in single hegemonic powers like the US.
China’s investments aren’t for anything other than the growth of its hegemonic power through the strategic control of satellite states. The carrot is easier than the stick and has better optics. However China can and will stomp out any geopolitical threat within its area of influence even if it is diametrically opposed to whatever the citizens of said state want. It is a superpowerful police state with global ambitions. The global south isn’t breaking free. It’s selling itself to China.
I’ve heard that american cope and scaremongering.
And it’s BS propagandaThe Belt and Road Initiative is certainly benefiting China, but it’s a win-win situation. China isn’t planting millitary bases anywhere, and isn’t forcing the global south to sell out their autonomy. It is not a police state, nor does it have global ambitions of hegemony.
It is not a police state, nor does it have global ambitions of hegemony.
Lol okay. What world do you live in?
Right, the world moved on and the empire’s failure to adapt is causing it to crumble around the 250 year mark. It’s a rule of thumb, not a curse or a deadline.
i think they haven’t been an empire for just as long as it had existed?
they were settlers first, right? with the indigenous genocide and all.
so you’re saying going to war against a neighboring nation to expand your territory is not what an empire does?
i forgot they invaded mexico pretty soon in, but that wasn’t global domination like they do today just yet.
the “neighboring nation” I was referring to were the indigenous people. North America was not a blank slate before Europeans arrived. “manifest destiny” was imperialism
i’m sorry to overextend this thread just because of semantics, but as i understand that part of history, the us was founded atop indigenous lands, with the intention of genociding them right out of the gate rather than enslaving them, technically making “manifest destiny” a settler ideology instead, right? i mean sort of like israel and zionism.
and my question is why do you think that’s not a form of imperialism
it could be. but i have the impression imperialism is a subset of this type of violence, when a nation does it to another.
so, just walking through your own argument as I understand it: situations that are similar to the treatment of indigenous North Americans by the US can be considered imperialism, if it’s done by one nation to another nation. but the actual treatment of indigenous peoples by the US doesn’t meet that condition. the result of that syllogism must be: between the US and the indigenous peoples, one of them is not a nation. I assume you’re not saying that the US is not a nation. so the conclusion must be that the indigenous North American peoples were not a nation, or multiple nations; that there was no political or societal organization in the Americas before Europeans came. is that what you mean, or have I misunderstood?
The US was very unremarkable globally compared to Britain or France for example, people thinking it wasn’t dominant enough to be an empire doesn’t mean they think it wasn’t cruel or expansive
They terrorized and looted plenty of the world in the 19th century already.
Yeah, wasn’t much of a world power until WW1.
Thanks for trying to buy us a little more time.
I just know my shithole red state is gonna become even worse after the collapse. Heres to.hoping Cascadia will accept my family.
Thinking about moving to portland just in case (if I can’t make it out the country that is)
i’m not from the us, what is there in portland?
Its part of the cascadia region which has a very small independence movement and unique cultural identity. It will probably lead no where but i like the place and its worth a shot
Generally more progressive.
The most socialist city in the country. Multnomah county might as well be a different state compared to Oregon and Oregon is pretty progressive.
Mandated Constitutional Convention every 200 years wouldn’t be a bad idea. Rewrite the whole thing.
Maybe also mandate the execution of the 1% at the same time. A solid reset.
most usians are part of the global 1%. they’d be mad culled.
As an American, I am ok with that. I am probably 1% btw.
as also an American, i’d be glad to be rid of the us imperialism and all the bombs and coups they keep dropping here.
Why’d you say you’re not from the US in another comment
because i’m not. where did i ever say i’m from the US?
If that’s so, maybe they mean from América but not the US, or not currently in the US but originally from there
But what if it’s a slow burn instead of a bang?
Also, remember how eastern Roman Empire kept going, on an unrelated note, Canada’s economy is actually doing decent compared to the US.
considering the bang could be radioactive, i want them to slowly wither but i hope they forgot the password for the red button.
I really hope you are right. I really do but America loves violence
Personally, I look forward to visiting Cascadia, and travelling to the DMZ to point and gawk at the ruins of the new hermit kingdom.
