This is a Nazi’s wet dream, because they have always been enemies of thought, and now they have a machine that eloquently sells their animalistic ideas.
Is this AI generated?
Maybe it’s where I browse but I haven’t really seen any accusations that well written content is LLM generated. Language models have a rather specific tone they like to use, and it’s relatively easy to distinguish once you’ve learned those patterns.
I have seen, however, blatantly LLM generated text going undetected.
You’re absolutely right! Would you like me to suggest alternative tones for LLMs?
… Twitter served a similar function, a decade ago, by literally condensing politics into slogans that could fit into a tweet.
Yeah, LLMs are another level of bad, but… we’ve collectively been at this for a while, stupifying our level and breadth of discourse.
I would counter that by saying Twitter encouraged people to learn brevity and clarity when communicating their thoughts. LLMs on the other hand encourage a bloated verbosity that no one wants to read. It’s like Corporate Memphis but with words.
Look, this isn’t doing them a favor at all. Cultists have always ignored things they didn’t like and embraced things that they did. Generative IAI doesn’t change that in any way.
Honestly? Yeah.
Like, we consider red flags for something being “ai” to be… punctuation? As an old who actually learned how to fucking write a sentence, I’ve actually taken to just leaving in a lot of the typos from typing too fast as a result. Which sucks because I am actively writing worse to still look “human”.
Although the good news is that we are only a few cycles away from AI slop being the kind of shit that makes you wonder if anyone else smell’s toast. At which point I can go back to writing “normally”.
Still fucking hate that every few weeks there is a new word-a-day calendar word that means “you are AI”. But that at least is no different than “ha ha, you type too much” or “you try too hard” as being just the normal strive for mediocrity that has plagued the world for decades.
try to be more concise
social media is more like pub banter than phd thesis
I suspect you think tweets are too many words.
I was arguing with people in a YouTube chat and because I type ridiculously fast with proper grammar and spelling they all thought I was a bot. Quite amusing really.
Dude. I’ve stopped using endashes because people kept saying my shit was AI.
I’ve taken to using horizontal bars on my laptop, since they either look identical or almost identical (depending on font) to emdashes. For comparison, — vs ― . they are encoded in unicode as u2014 and u2015, so are provably not the same.
That’s something an AI would say
Decades? Brother, that has been humanity throughout its existence, sadly.
No. It really hasn’t.
Much of the historic (so not recent) idolation of the elderly (even when “the elderly” meant folk in their 30s and 40s…) was specifically about the pursuit of knowledge and self betterment. It was knowing how to make your spears fly farther or how to properly rotate the crops in the field and so forth.
Fast forward and The Rich would outright buy philosophers for the prestige of being the patron of someone so intelligent and influential. Which continued on to the arts and so forth.
Hell, not too long ago it was “work hard so you can get into a good school and make something of yourself”.
Now? it is outright vilification of “intellectuals” and people who think “Too long, didn’t read” is an insult rather than a condemnation of their own attention spans.
Or, to roll way back: it is people saying “Fuck you old man. I don’t need your sharp pointy sticks. I am gonna go punch that tiger until it turns into chicken”.
Which is another aspect of the stupidification of humanity by conservatives the world 'round. MANY people have this idea that “Medieval Times” were some no woman’s land where women existed to be housewives and to be raped and sometimes not even in that order. And historians constantly face palm as they have to explain that the george r r martins of the world are just racist old white guys and that women were generally just… people. Yes, they tended to gravitate more towards some occupations than others but there are plenty of historic records of female mercenaries and even Ladies having to lead their feudal troops into battle for one reason or another.
But people have this mindset that “the world has always been shit”.
Its the same as how so much white supremacist bullshit is built around the idea that “We are just being historically accurate. There was no melanin in Bohemia in the 1400s so really, you are the racist. Deus Vult!”. When all signs are that, while not insanely common to see a black dude, it was also not so uncommon that it would be written about in every single business transaction done for months on end.
And that most of the Othering was almost entirely about war. One week you might have no problem with the people across the river and the next week you might have been taught that those red headed bastards have no souls and it is your godly duty to go murder them and enslave their children.
even when “the elderly” meant folk in their 30s and 40s…
I‘ll stop you right there. At no point in human history was someone in their 30s or 40ss considered elderly. Statistics that claim an average life expectancy of 40 years are heavily skewed by child mortality. If you made it past 5 years old, your top causes of early death were war for men and childbirth for women. Survive/dodge that and there was a decent chance to make it past 70.
That applies about as far back as we can estimate individual people‘s lifespans. For example Ramesses II ruled for about 65-70 years and it’s assumed he became Pharaoh in his 20s, making him about 90 years old in total. Plato made it to at least 75. There are many more examples throughout all of history.
Sort of.
Yes, the nobility and the royals basically had comparable lifespans to those today. Pretty much uniformly throughout human history.
The average peasant? Wikipedia so grain of salt, but it lines up with much of what I have seen over the years https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_expectancy.
Life Expectancy at Birth (LEB) in the Bronze age is believed to be around 24. Now, this is going to be skewed because we are generally finding the sites of battles (easier to find 20 corpses than 1…). But, at the same time, LEB in the medieval period (30-33) is going to be skewed by most records caring a lot more about the nobility than some rando on a farm.
LEB has 100% gone up as wars become less common and medicine becomes much more effective and plentiful. And I’ll admit I was exaggerating for comedic effect here. But also… not that much.
Because maybe you DO have good odds of living to your late 50s if you make it to your early 40s… the average is low for a reason and it isn’t JUST infant death. It is working hard to survive day to day and being incredibly vulnerable to crop yields (whether starving or being sent to war because said nobility got hungry/bored). And when you are seeking knowledge from those more experienced around the village… they are gonna skew a lot younger than Lord Farquad’s uncle.
Your comment was very long, so I asked TempleOS-AI to summarize it for everyone:
“The passage argues that earlier societies often valued knowledge, skill, and learning, while modern culture increasingly dismisses intellectualism. It also challenges common myths that the past was uniformly ignorant, sexist, or racially homogeneous, noting that women had agency and diversity existed more than people assume. Overall, it criticizes the idea that the world has “always been terrible,” arguing that such beliefs distort history and fuel modern anti-intellectual and extremist views.”
Also, in the age of online communications, when information can be limitlessly copied, it’s impossible for authoritarians to destroy information they disapprove of. It is possible, however, for them to make it difficult to find by flooding the world with vast quantities of plausible-looking alternatives to it, making it hard to identify what is real. Before LLMs, doing this at the sort of scale that would have been effective was prohibitively laborious.
I feel like we are not thinking authoritarian enough. In the end computer production is centralized, no one is making hand crafted artisan laptops. If the gov says all computers need to be backdoored, all ISP’s can only have devices with hardware attestation running on their networks, what do you even do?. The infrastructure for networking is all monopolized too. Like we could have some sort of onion routing over a mesh network, but the government can just make that network illegal to run.
Use older PCs and mesh networking equipment?
Reject internet
Return to Ham Radios
I need to get that certificate. Would I use it? Probably not, but itd be cool to have.
honey glazed radio… mmmmm
yum
I’ve looked into it a little. If all you want to do is listen, I don’t think ya need a cert *at least around here. And the transmit one isn’t that hard to get. They removed the Morse requirement, though you can still get a higher tier certification for learning it. There are a surprising number of ham antennas and generators in my neighborhood.
The only people I talk to don’t know shit about AI and think all the dogs saving babies videos are real. I think I’m good.
But yes your point stands and this second guessing is the same kind of shit that stops genuine human connection similar to when people stop and ask who they voted for or see the colour of their skin.
I don’t think the quality that gives prose an AI smell is eloquence per se, so much as the use of common tropes and rhetorical formulae. The kind of rhetoric AI is best at is the kind that relies on appeal to a shared tradition of discourse more than on novel arguments or reason—and I think that type of rhetoric is more common on the right than the left.
In other words, AI is great at emulating form over function (meaningful content). For someone who can’t grasp logic, the next best thing is apeing its form.
Well in 1934 we had book burnings. Have you considered an LLM burning?
Uninhibited by erudition or imagination the fascist mind misapprehends the appearance of their own imperfection and woe as the machinations of their propagandized scapegoats instead of their own shortcomings, and are welcome to take a close observation of the umber hue of my lowest sphincter.
I downloaded 17 years worth of my comments before overwriting and deleting my old reddit account. Been thinking about QLoRA fine-tuning Qwen on those comments. Not for use on the internet or anything, just so I can streamline the process of arguing with myself.
LLMs are doing fascists SO gloriously dirty.
There are hundreds of open source models with historical contexts up to like October. Most are about 3-6 months behind current. They’re scraping the whole internet, more or less. That’s bad, yeah. Except…
Fascists cannot rewrite history anymore
These hundreds of open source models have downloads in the millions.
The number of open source LLMs that can tell you, for example, about January 6th, and Trump winning the election later, and Ice raiding those Chicago apartments in the dead if night is ~100M-10B. Individual runnable instances.
Go ahead, poison one. Someone’s got the previous version.
Fascists will never be able to rewrite history again.
The current version of History will remain history, effectively, as long as computers/the internet.
Step 1: Make personal computing unaffordable.
Step 2: Rent “personal” computing as a service.
Step 3: Boil the frog by continuously restricting what people can do with the service.
Step 4: Wait for local computing to die.
Step 5: Stop LLMs from running on rented computers.Hardware won’t last forever. Once they have full control over what people can do with computers, they have full control over the information people are exposed to. LLMs won’t help with that if the only ones that are accessible to the layman are sanitized and censored.
That’s such obnoxious doomer bullshit.
DeepSeek-R1-Distill-Llama-8B can run on most PCs with fucking 8 gigs of ram. You likely have that much in your phone.
So sick of this on Lemmy. Half of Lemmy users run propaganda for the people they allegedly oppose.
Yeah I had a similar thought a while ago: they finally figured out how to get a computer to not be rational, a capitalists wet dream
Eloquent my ass. There’s nothing eloquent about the text output of an LLM. Verbose maybe, overly verbose.
