I saw someone saying recently that Canada has made a huge shift away from the US. As someone Canadian, I haven’t noticed anything beyond relatively minor individual decisions (IE, not going to the US as a tourist). I’d like to be wrong, but from my understanding, this is effectively nothing. Has there actually been any sort of large scale move away from US dependence?
I would say that I and fellow Canadians are trying but for our government I’d say that Mark Carney is kowtowing and kissing Trump’s ring.
In a way I’m at least glad that we don’t have Pierre
PoilievreDipshit in charge because he would’ve already hung Canadians to die at the mercy of Trump.At the same time though, Mark Carney is a total loser🖕
I wish we had our own Zohran Mamdani leading Canada :/
Carney is in a tough spot… Canada heavily relies on the US and just giving them the middle finger is not an option.
I know instinctively it would feel great if he just told Trump to eat a bag of dicks, but that would be irresponsible and could spiral Canada into a depression.
People don’t seem to understand that there are different forms of appeasement of lunatics.
The Conservatives wanted to enthusiastically gargle Trump’s balls and move us closer to fascism.
The liberals understand they have to be still play politics to not crash the country but are working behind the scenes to reduce dependencies.
To the uneducated both positions look identical from the outside because neither is telling Trump to fuck off, but there are nuances here.
I agree with the rest of your comment but this sentence stood out.
The Conservatives want to move us closer to Trump, but the Liberals are still moving us closer to fascism. Look at bills C-2 and C-12, which bring our border and immigration policies much more in line with the US.
It’s a defensive posture. It’s those things that are keeping us from random 1,000,000% tariffs that would take a decade to litigate. Nobody wants it, but we kind of need to play along while we figure out how to get out of this mess.
Sure, just a little bit of fascism will be fine. Nothing could go wrong there.
Well your realpolitik option is a supersized portion with Poilievre. Until we get proportional representation we are all hostage.
Voting for fascism is never the right choice. Even in a two-party system, everyone still has the option to not vote for either Kang or Kodos. “Throw your vote away” is always a valid electoral choice, and perhaps in some cases, the only morally defensible one. We even happen to have a still marginally viable third party, and even if all your vote is doing is keeping that third choice barely alive on the margins, that has its own form of validity too.
Strategic voting is the opposite of strategic. It’s a short-term, single-election tactic that will result in a strategic collapse in the long term. You do not ever have to vote for one party to prevent the other party from getting in. That is not your responsibility, and if you do that, it’s not going to ever get better. You are sacrificing the future for the present, and the present is fleeting but the future is forever. We have to think longer term, or we will have absolutely no recourse when both of the top choices end up being unconscionable.
That’s a separate issue and yes I agree, liberals aren’t saints and need to be checked, I’m just focusing on the whole Trump part.
I get it and I fully agree; Carney giving Trump the bird is obviously not the play to make.
At the same time, clapping for the attack on Venezuela and capturing Maduro. Like what the fuck. Was that really needed?
Why comment at all, giving praise was even foolhardy as internationally Canada looks to be on the wrong side of history.
Feigning ignorance or saying something on the lines of “My staff and I are currently looking into the implications of this rapidly changing situation.” would have honestly been better IMO.
Someone out there would have probably had better moves than Carney’s missteps.
Again I don’t disagree with your points, I just feel that Carney’s been making mistakes intentionally or accidentally one after another.
Carney didn’t “clap for the attack on Venezuela.” He called for international law to be followed, which should be an obvious rebuke to anyone who isn’t at a Trump level of understanding of how diplomacy is done.
Yep totally fair. Again, I don’t know if behind the scenes people are just like “he’s done this shit already, nothing we can do about it, so just appease the child with some comments”
A lot of leaders seem to be taking this route publicly while they work behind the scenes to shed themselves of Trump
For a question as broad as ‘what is this country doing about that other country’, it might be a good idea to drop the editorial names and instead include position descriptors. Canadian politicians don’t have the same name recognition as American counterparts.
Mark Carney is Canada’s Prime Minister, who won the position over Pierre Poilievre.
I was thinking the same thing; we don’t have an executive, we have a cabinet. Sure, Carney has set up a small group of ministers as a kind of mini executive and himself thinks in executive terms, but even with all that, the Prime Minister can’t act without majority cabinet support.
Unfortunately i think this is a case of ‘nice doggy’. Trump needs constant sucking up or he goes apeshit. Words are cheap, and we need time to adapt and replace the USA.
IDK what you imagine should be done instead of what the Canadian government is already doing?
Despite the aggressive tariffs on Canada by USA, and a lot of disruption caused by USA, the Canadian government has managed to create an environment that has allowed impressive growth for the economy considering the circumstances.
Chess and Among Us strats.
As the king becomes the fool and destroys his own castle, prioritize establishing relations with foreign nations built on the basis of historical reputation and long term trust.
When the fool asks "Hey how come you: brought Christmas fruitcake!? / didn’t reply or show up for my party!?
Malicious compliance and/or ignorance: "Sorry bro I:
This is the basics of what anyone could do, obviously there are better methods and plans out there.