Yeah because the internet didn’t exist in 1925 and you could physically toss people out of a space without moderator approval. If you started being (edit: enough of) an asshole in 1925 anarchist spaces, you would 1000% get kicked out. Also anarchists just don’t have the power or influence that we did back in the 1925.
We have lots of power, comrade - power to choose who we assemble and organize with. That’s how assholes in irl anarchist spaces are dealt with - choosing to not associate or work with someone who would do you or the community harm. (Don’t stretch this to mean I don’t work with people I don’t agree with 100% on everything, how and when you let people into your life can be appropriate for the situation - maybe I’ll show up to another groups event to help them with labour but won’t invite them to join in work I know they will just argue about for example).
The appeal to hierarchy is the joke here.
We have lots of power, comrade - power to choose who we assemble and organize with.
We absolutely do not have the collective power at scale at the moment to see things like Catalonia and Ukraine happen, i.e. anarchism at large scales. I did not mean to suggest that anarchists are individually powerless or even have no collective power. My point was really to comment that the effectiveness of early 19th century anarchism was due to both good principles and collective power. At least the way I read it, the meme seems to imply that modern anarchists are ineffective because they are crybabies, a take which I resent because it conflates anarchists correctly being more sensitive to bigotry against marginalized groups than anarchists of the past with anarchists being crybabies, while neglecting the simple fact that anarchism as an movement is more fringe today than it used to be.
That’s how assholes in irl anarchist spaces are dealt with - choosing to not associate or work with someone who would do you or the community harm.
Okay but what if the person you choose not to associate with absolutely refuses to leave your otherwise freely associated group alone? Eventually, you escort them out as a last resort because that person is violating everyone else’s freedom to dissociate from them.
That’s individualistic bullshit.
The collective is what matters! It’s the whole point of all of it!
You can’t do collective action independently. It doesn’t work that way. A million people marching separately is just a million people going for a walk
You have to have a group. It doesn’t need hierarchy or organization, but it does need an immune system. You need bad actors to fall in line or be expelled. You all have to point in the same direction, even if you’d rather be a little more to one side or another
I don’t know if you read what I wrote but okay
There is a lemmy “anarchist” that reports my posts even in non anarchists spaces because they don’t like what I have to say about America or voting instead of just using the block button. Block button should be your first line of defense instead of appealing to authority to get your way. This is less about people being assholes in anarchist spaces and more about the fact that we have a lot of posers on lemmy.
There is a lemmy “anarchist” that reports my posts even in non anarchists spaces because they don’t like what I have to say about America or voting instead of just using the block button.
Oh okay. Yeah that’s annoying. What the fuck kind of anarchist supports AmeriKKKa?
Block button should be your first line of defense instead of appealing to authority to get your way.
Mostly agree, but there are absolutely times when nagging people to get someone banned has been the right call, simply because of the technical structure of Lemmy and the Internet. Like a couple months ago, I basically contacted all the main admins on every instance to get one user blocked from most communities because they were actively going into trans communities and posting transphobic bullshit to disrupt them and trigger their users.
Like the block button is good if someone is being mean or saying stuff that is just offensive, but it’s not a good response to actually oppressive language. In that case, it’s just choosing to ignore oppression, which isn’t very anarchist 🙂.
#AllModsAreBastards
sunshine isn’t an anarchist, they are an instigator
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Bro, Idk what “anarchist” you may have some personal drama with but a) there are going to be idiots and assholes who say they identify with any group because people are dumb like that and b) if someone is being antagonistic in a community, exiling that person from the community is usually an anarchist option yes? And in online communities, only mods tend to have that power to ban users, so I feel like it’s not really a betrayal of anarchy to report people to an online moderator (though I will say that in some spaces mods act like cops/rulers/The-State™️, so if communities can’t oust their mods, then yeah that community in general isn’t very anarchic)
Anyway, I don’t know what happened between you and this person, but generalizing that all online anarchists are like this just because you met an asshole online doesn’t seem like the best way to handle the situation imo
I’m reasonably certain there are many many “1925 anarchists” in db0 alone and probably a lot more throughout the rest of Lemmy too
Bro it isn’t that serious this is a shitty meme I made in two seconds and posted while I was literally in the bathroom, my instance admin showed me a report ICQ guy made about a comment of mine that he didn’t like and this is just a throw away joke. Relax before you give yourself a heart attack
there are many many “1925 anarchists” in db0 alone
oh the “anarchist” instance that hosts a Euro nationalist comm?
Bro this isn’t that serious it’s just a shitty comment I made in two seconds while I was in the bathroom (funny coincidence lol) But seriously don’t worry about me mate, writing actually relaxes me. Much nicer to focus on dumb internet comments than hyperfixate on my anxieties about life lol
Anyway it’s hard to know when people are serious about generalizations or not. Thought I’d make a comment just in case you were serious, so you’d know there are actual anarchists out there.
And in a way I guess I was right since you seem to think an instance of anarchists is not an anarchy instance lol
Also, euro nationalist comm? Are you talking about c/europe ? The comm filled with news about corruption in Europe? Idk about you but I’m pretty sure no one is upvoting “French government is threatening developers of GrapheneOS for refusing to add a back door” because they support privacy violations or love the French government lol
Was on a date once and it’s clearly not going well because they’re just putting a lot of negativity on the table but I’m just seeing it through to be decent and they say with a sneer “it’s okay, you can go, you don’t have to stick around” so I just walked out of there.
And you can do that, unless it’s a factory or something, in which case I won’t say what you can do because laws.
