Yeah because the internet didn’t exist in 1925 and you could physically toss people out of a space without moderator approval. If you started being (edit: enough of) an asshole in 1925 anarchist spaces, you would 1000% get kicked out. Also anarchists just don’t have the power or influence that we did back in the 1925.
We have lots of power, comrade - power to choose who we assemble and organize with. That’s how assholes in irl anarchist spaces are dealt with - choosing to not associate or work with someone who would do you or the community harm. (Don’t stretch this to mean I don’t work with people I don’t agree with 100% on everything, how and when you let people into your life can be appropriate for the situation - maybe I’ll show up to another groups event to help them with labour but won’t invite them to join in work I know they will just argue about for example).
We have lots of power, comrade - power to choose who we assemble and organize with.
We absolutely do not have the collective power at scale at the moment to see things like Catalonia and Ukraine happen, i.e. anarchism at large scales. I did not mean to suggest that anarchists are individually powerless or even have no collective power. My point was really to comment that the effectiveness of early 19th century anarchism was due to both good principles and collective power. At least the way I read it, the meme seems to imply that modern anarchists are ineffective because they are crybabies, a take which I resent because it conflates anarchists correctly being more sensitive to bigotry against marginalized groups than anarchists of the past with anarchists being crybabies, while neglecting the simple fact that anarchism as an movement is more fringe today than it used to be.
That’s how assholes in irl anarchist spaces are dealt with - choosing to not associate or work with someone who would do you or the community harm.
Okay but what if the person you choose not to associate with absolutely refuses to leave your otherwise freely associated group alone? Eventually, you escort them out as a last resort because that person is violating everyone else’s freedom to dissociate from them.
The collective is what matters! It’s the whole point of all of it!
You can’t do collective action independently. It doesn’t work that way. A million people marching separately is just a million people going for a walk
You have to have a group. It doesn’t need hierarchy or organization, but it does need an immune system. You need bad actors to fall in line or be expelled. You all have to point in the same direction, even if you’d rather be a little more to one side or another
There is a lemmy “anarchist” that reports my posts even in non anarchists spaces because they don’t like what I have to say about America or voting instead of just using the block button. Block button should be your first line of defense instead of appealing to authority to get your way. This is less about people being assholes in anarchist spaces and more about the fact that we have a lot of posers on lemmy.
There is a lemmy “anarchist” that reports my posts even in non anarchists spaces because they don’t like what I have to say about America or voting instead of just using the block button.
Oh okay. Yeah that’s annoying. What the fuck kind of anarchist supports AmeriKKKa?
Block button should be your first line of defense instead of appealing to authority to get your way.
Mostly agree, but there are absolutely times when nagging people to get someone banned has been the right call, simply because of the technical structure of Lemmy and the Internet. Like a couple months ago, I basically contacted all the main admins on every instance to get one user blocked from most communities because they were actively going into trans communities and posting transphobic bullshit to disrupt them and trigger their users.
Like the block button is good if someone is being mean or saying stuff that is just offensive, but it’s not a good response to actually oppressive language. In that case, it’s just choosing to ignore oppression, which isn’t very anarchist 🙂.
Yeah because the internet didn’t exist in 1925 and you could physically toss people out of a space without moderator approval. If you started being (edit: enough of) an asshole in 1925 anarchist spaces, you would 1000% get kicked out. Also anarchists just don’t have the power or influence that we did back in the 1925.
We have lots of power, comrade - power to choose who we assemble and organize with. That’s how assholes in irl anarchist spaces are dealt with - choosing to not associate or work with someone who would do you or the community harm. (Don’t stretch this to mean I don’t work with people I don’t agree with 100% on everything, how and when you let people into your life can be appropriate for the situation - maybe I’ll show up to another groups event to help them with labour but won’t invite them to join in work I know they will just argue about for example).
The appeal to hierarchy is the joke here.
We absolutely do not have the collective power at scale at the moment to see things like Catalonia and Ukraine happen, i.e. anarchism at large scales. I did not mean to suggest that anarchists are individually powerless or even have no collective power. My point was really to comment that the effectiveness of early 19th century anarchism was due to both good principles and collective power. At least the way I read it, the meme seems to imply that modern anarchists are ineffective because they are crybabies, a take which I resent because it conflates anarchists correctly being more sensitive to bigotry against marginalized groups than anarchists of the past with anarchists being crybabies, while neglecting the simple fact that anarchism as an movement is more fringe today than it used to be.
Okay but what if the person you choose not to associate with absolutely refuses to leave your otherwise freely associated group alone? Eventually, you escort them out as a last resort because that person is violating everyone else’s freedom to dissociate from them.
That’s individualistic bullshit.
The collective is what matters! It’s the whole point of all of it!
You can’t do collective action independently. It doesn’t work that way. A million people marching separately is just a million people going for a walk
You have to have a group. It doesn’t need hierarchy or organization, but it does need an immune system. You need bad actors to fall in line or be expelled. You all have to point in the same direction, even if you’d rather be a little more to one side or another
I don’t know if you read what I wrote but okay
There is a lemmy “anarchist” that reports my posts even in non anarchists spaces because they don’t like what I have to say about America or voting instead of just using the block button. Block button should be your first line of defense instead of appealing to authority to get your way. This is less about people being assholes in anarchist spaces and more about the fact that we have a lot of posers on lemmy.
Oh okay. Yeah that’s annoying. What the fuck kind of anarchist supports AmeriKKKa?
Mostly agree, but there are absolutely times when nagging people to get someone banned has been the right call, simply because of the technical structure of Lemmy and the Internet. Like a couple months ago, I basically contacted all the main admins on every instance to get one user blocked from most communities because they were actively going into trans communities and posting transphobic bullshit to disrupt them and trigger their users.
Like the block button is good if someone is being mean or saying stuff that is just offensive, but it’s not a good response to actually oppressive language. In that case, it’s just choosing to ignore oppression, which isn’t very anarchist 🙂.
#AllModsAreBastards
sunshine isn’t an anarchist, they are an instigator
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