I’m quite younger so I wasn’t around that format war but depends on who you ask you get different responses.
No. Sony didn’t want to license the technology; JVC said fuck you we’ll license ours to everybody.
That’s all there is to it.
Nope. It’s also not true that it was because Betamax was too late as many claim. Betamax came out in 1975 and VHS in 1976.
So Betamax actually had a slight head start.The reason Betamax lost was that Sony had exclusive rights to Betamax, and they tried to monopolize the market.
VHS was a way more open standard all could use, which lead to the obvious result that everybody that made video-recorders made VHS.
With the way better availability and more competition on VHS recorders, and VHS being cheaper to make to begin with, prices on VHS were way more more competitive. This was a significant factor because video recorders were very expensive early on.
The tapes were also cheaper for VHS, which probably was a factor too.This of course led to VHS also being by far the preferred format for video shops, as there was a bigger market for VHS videos.
Some claim that the way wider availability of VHS movies in video shops was a factor too, but this was IMO more a result of more people already owning VHS videos when video shops became popular. And if you loaned/rented a moviebox with your videos, those were also always VHS, for the obvious reason that they were way cheaper for the shop.So in short, it was all about price and availability, because that shit was expensive early on, and I bet the porn industry chose VHS for the exact same reason everybody else did. It was cheaper for them, and being cheaper for consumers too, you could reach a wider audience, meaning you could make more money.
I spent a couple winters in the 80’s working as a drivers assistant for UPS. One of the places we picked up packages from was a back door of a strip mall. It was just a room with racks of VHS recorders where the owner was duplicating porn videos. We’d pick up literally a few garbage bags full of packages every day. I doubt that setup would have been there if it was all Betamax. It probably would have cost significantly more both to set up and for the blank tapes.
I’m also not really old enough, but I thought it was license costs (as usual with Sony).
I swear we need an Alec signal, like the Bat signal, that we can shine when topics like this come up.
Here is a playlist is all of Technology Connections videos about the format wars. Alec does a great job explaining the history and showing things off.
TL;DW tape length and price are the main reasons. Arguably if you want to hang the win on a single reason, sports is probably the best answer. Betamax wasn’t long enough to tape a full game and Selectavision (which was doomed anyway) couldn’t record at all.
It may have contributed to the failure of Betamax, but there several reasons for the failure of that format.
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It was expensive. From the cameras to the playback machines, even commercial distribution on Betamax tapes came with an expensive license and fee that VHS did not have.
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Betamax tapes (initially) were limited to 60 minutes. The VHS tapes were initially 120 or 180 minutes.
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Betamax machines and Betamax camcorders were much more bulky and heavier and more complicated to use than their VHS alternatives.
Despite its superior quality, Betamax came with a lot of drawbacks, all of which were the major contributors to its downfall. How much porn itself had to do with that, it’s probably not known, but it was not a major contributing factor.
Porn is probably a correlation with those other factors…
Also that quality was the only differentiation in the age of 480p seems a bit crazy to then try to get a licence fee out of it. I barely cared about the quality difference between VHS and DVD when it first came out until I got a better TV where I could actually see the difference, and I imagine the difference with beta max would be even smaller than that 😅
Back then, the TV and VHS picture quality was somewhere between 240p and 360p. Betamax was the first format available to consumers whose picture was 480p.
I did a university report on BluRay vs hddvd and successfully called the winner based on the vhs/beta case.
Essentially your point 1 affected the indie film and porn industry which struggled to afford or obtain a license. Turns out those industries were key adopters.
Didn’t Blu-ray win because it was basically neck and neck with the amount of studios backing HD-DVD vs Blu-ray. I think everyone was waiting to see what the final studio would pick (off the top of my head it was either Fox or Warner Bros).
Sony paid said studio basically a massive multi $m bribe to pick Blu-ray (to help promote their new console, the Playstation 3) which they duly did and that format was declared the winner.
HD-DVD would’ve been great as the winner as the specifications don’t include any form of region protection. But blurays hold more data and therefore allows for better quality encodes.
It seemed more like PS3 decided the winner to me at the time , since it came with a blue ray drive while the xb360 only came with a DVD drive and the HD-DVD drive was sold separately.
Except wasn’t hddvd cheaper and initially porn was using it?
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I’m going to go against the grain here and say “kinda”.
But porn isn’t the driver, it was a facet of the actual reason - accessibility and cost.
Betamax was, by any metric, the superior system.
VHS, however, was cheaper to produce, and cheaper to buy the recording equipment.
JVC had an open licencing strategy to encourage manufacturers to produce VHS-compatible equipment. Sony had a closed licencing strategy to maximise revenue.
So in this new world, where small movie studios could now record directly to magnetic tape and small companies could duplicate and distribute copies for very little cost, which format would you pick? The cheapest one.
The ready availability of porn was a factor for VHS’s success, but so was the ready availability of cheaply made horror films, martial arts films and other niche genres (niche by 1970s/1980s standards).
Betamax machines were substantially heavier than VHS and that extra cost for shipping adds up too.
No but vhs is why porn theaters died.
Was around during the time an I can say with absolute certainty all things Sony including the Betamax products were smaller with a better overall user design (think buttons and external displays). Sony was just better than most every company when it came to analog video and portable audio.
Regarding licensing fees, consumers rarely saw those fees because they were mostly renting movies. Few people ever mastered the art of recording television shows in the US (fewer purchased recorders). And when they did it was oftentimes while they were at home. Literally everyone of that generation had a VHS whose clocked flashed because the owner could not set the time. I mention this because setting the time was required if you wanted to plan a recording while you were away from home.
I mention all of this because these machines were used by a generation who never utilized them for anything other than renting videos and recording while at home.
Beta lost because of marketing and the lack of choice among Betamax devices (this is where the licensing came to play).
If the person making the audio/video choices was technical or an audiophile they purchased a Betamax.
Not to be overly critical but that generation relied heavily on marketing to make those types of purchasing decisions. Product quality or the feature set could be easily overshadowed by dynamic marketing.
Regarding porn, there was porn on video but during the VHS/Betamax period most porn was in magazine form.
Huh, that sounds very different from my experience. Everyone taped from TV, and traded tapes, even people who couldn’t set the time or schedule it. People were so desperate for time-shifting away from TV broadcast schedule and to share videos that they sat through entire shows to record them. There were frequent glitches from people trying to not record commercials, before commercial skipping technology became common. This was also the only reasonable way to have a movie collection, given the obscene prices of movies on tape. And of course child me thought I was clever to figure out how to schedule a recording, only to be frequently screwed up by sports and political events running long - I’d schedule an extra hour and sometimes that wasn’t enough
you are not the first one asking the question
https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=vhs+vs+beta+vs+porn
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Videotape_format_war#Contributing_factors
I don’t think they posted on Lemmy to get search results
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