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Here we go… It took them some time but ads is going to be inside chat gpt as well. And impossible to block.
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First it was ignorantly stupid, now it’ll be purposefully misleading towards ads. Who could have seen that coming?
Where’s the end of work life as we know it that we were promised?
Companies have already been SEOing LLMs for a few months now. There are companies who have a panel of participants who are willing to share their data, and this is then used to estimate what people might be searching on LLMs and now to optimise content so that it shows up on responses across LLMs.
Ads was the logical direction for LLMs and has always been the only pathway to any substantial revenue.
Imagine it writing your essay about Nazi Germany for you and in the middle it asks you whether you think Göring would have enjoyed a Big Mac right about now.
No matter how profitable a company is (which doesn’t apply here) it can’t resist increasing profits even more. They are all like an AI being told to make paperclips and not stopping until they have converted the entire mass of the universe into paperclips.
Well, in this case, how unprofitable a company is. OpenAI hemorrhages money like no other.
Luckily humanity will only be able to destroy its own planet at least. I would be a lot more worried if our behavior here would affect other worlds. But we are a long way from that, thank god.
I feel like nobody read the article. It mentioned an “ad carousel” which would be a fairly standard way to offset costs on free plans. I don’t see that specifically as being enshitification. Now, if they start altering AI responses, that is definitely enshitification. I have no doubt they will eventually get there, but I don’t think that’s what this article is about.
All ads are enshitification.
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There needs to be laws like yesterday that force tools to disclose if responses are influenced by ads.
The fact that they’re pivoting to full enshittification is the strongest signal yet that the AI bubble is collapsing. There won’t be an AI-driven mass-unemployment revolution this time around. OpenAI has given up on trying to build that.
Anyone else concerned that the AI bubble is actually an everything bubble, and more or less represents the devaluation of the US dollar? We have a lot of debt, we can’t necessarily keep raising interest rates to slow down spending (as that would make the debt’s impact far greater), and so they’re printing money onto the deficit. Meanwhile, you have the White House eye balling cryptocurrency, letting banks hold it alongside gold, … what does all of this mean?
https://www.theblock.co/amp/post/333107/jpmorgan-debasement-trade-bitcoin-gold
https://matrixmag.com/chinas-gold-corridor-a-structural-shift-in-the-global-financial-order/
It doesn’t mean anything. You’re just rules by greedy idiots.
Everything means something because meaning is created, not discovered. They can be greedy, idiots, and still know how to come out on top of a failing empire.
I really think there’s a lot more to this than meets the eye. There being winners implies there being losers also. If the ultra wealthy can come out on top, it leaves the rest of the US with a debased currency on bottom.
Is gold up 2x since 2 years ago, or is the US Dollar loosing its purchase power at a rate not seen since 1970s (Nixon took USD off gold) and 2008-11 (global housing crisis)?
Suddenly, Elons stock-performance based bonus benchmarked at $1T makes some sense…
I dont know about that. I think the fear right now is that these companies wont get enough revenue to justify their enormous evaluations. By putting ads in the product, they increase revenue but also increase Enshittification.
I wont be using chat gpt if it becomes annoying. But many will, everyone today who is used to constant ads will.
So im thinking this will work against the bubble popping. But I could be wrong.
If the service was truly viable they wouldn’t need to be supporting it in that way so early. Ads might delay the bubble popping but it’s not a good sign IMO. Selling ads is going to be a lot more difficult than getting millions or billions of dollars from investors.
Yes exactly. What they really want to offer is an AI employee replacement service. If they could replace one of your employees who makes $40k/year then they could easily charge $30k/year for the service and you (the business owner and AI customer) could add $10k to your profits.
The fact is that they can’t do that. They can’t even make money charging thousands of dollars a year for basic LLM service that people use to write emails and the like.
But many will, everyone today who is used to constant ads will.
wouldn’t it stand to reason, many current users are engaged because chatGPT produces faster shitty search results without ads? compared to the alternative shitty slower search results with ads?
I use Perplexity for most of my searches. Not because of ads (I have robust adblocking to the point that I’m genuinely gobsmacked whenever I’m in a situation where I can’t browse any other way, like on someone else’s machine), but because of third-party SEO and first-party paid-for search results. Perplexity is far from flawless, but unlike google, Bing, etc. and the engines which rely on them (DuckDuckGo is Bing, for example), it’s actually designed to return you the answer to your question.
We can discuss the exact meaning of “ads” and whether the paid-for search results count. I’d say they’re similar but with subtle differences. And it’s not what’s being suggested for ChatGPT here, although for over a year now I’ve been suggesting that the AI-equivalent of SEO & paid-for search results is where we’re headed.
You’re having a conversation in ChatGPT and all of a sudden you’re being bombarded with questions like how swell it’d be to buy something from Amazon or play this shitty-ass app game with MTX.
What a timeline…
I suppose identifying AI is going to be a lot easier when users copy and paste answers that contain some sort of ad roll.
It’s gonna be really hard to argue your Grapes of Wrath essay wasn’t AI generated when you submit without proofreading and don’t catch the sponsored ad for Walmart+ grocery delivery.
I don’t know that I agree. AI will continue to grow stronger and heartier, just like Campbell’s new Extra Chunky™ All Americanado™ Chicken Noodle Soup.
After reading this I’m convinced we’ll not only know it’s AI but be able to identify which platform. We’ll get to a point where people will go must’ve used Gemini it’s the only one still serving Factor ads 😂
Oh no. I’ll have to look at ads while I make use of their fantastic and totally useful product, oh yeah, never mind.
Too bad larger LLMs require ungodly amounts of VRAM, or self-hosting would be a good alternative. LLMs have their uses, but they’re not useful enough to put up with ads.
I think we’ve hit the end times for AI. The biggest player in the space OpenAI couldn’t be profitable by selling its services to business, nor directly to consumers. Subscription moneys nor licensing its models is working too. So the last avenue they have is this, shilling to marketers hoping for scrap.
On top of Nvidia having to stop selling RAM I think the breaks are about to hit AI and hard once the current supply runs out. I wonder how long that could take?
This is a great way to drive users to competitors.
FYI https://www.deepseek.com/en and https://chat.qwen.ai/ don’t have ads.
If you’re not paying, you’re the product. Even on Chinese services. Alibaba does train my favorite local models though (Qwen).
Sounds like my AI usage is gonna fall from “infrequent” to “never”, if the ads are indeed unblockable…
Ads are bad mmkay?
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